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Old 06-01-2018, 11:42 AM   #1
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Default No talk about the Forester XT being dropped?

https://www.torquenews.com/4830/thri...th-forester-xt

So last month Subaru announced that the Forester XT wouldn't be coming with the next-gen 2019+ Forester lineup. It kinda makes sense to me, sales have slumped tremendously for the XT because the Forester is now a proper small/mid-size SUV and people don't buy those for performance.

However, it's pretty much UNDENIABLE that a turbo Crosstrek would sell like hotcakes.

See, the Crosstrek is the same size, if not a tad bigger than what the Forester was when the XT was a big deal. People didn't stop buying the Forester XT, they just started buying Crosstreks and Mazda CX-5's and perhaps just decided on the WRX and did without the extra space.

Am I right? I mean it makes perfect sense to me.
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It's almost as if people who care about extra performance don't want CVTs..



Nah, that can't be it.

I'm thinking a swap of the FA20DIT + 6-speed into my 5-speed '13 Crosstrek could only improve its resale value.
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:14 PM   #3
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I thought Subaru said the take rate for the XT was 10%?
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:24 PM   #4
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In what world is the crosstrek the same size as a forester?

Wheelbases are similar, but the forester has about 30% more cargo capacity - seats up or down, more passenger space, and is about 6" longer, and 10 inches taller than the crosstrek.

That stated; a 2.4DIT crosstrek with an STi drivetrain might coax the wallet out of my pocket, assuming I can drop it to hatchback ride height, and the 2.4DIT gets dual injection.
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:46 PM   #5
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In what world is the crosstrek the same size as a forester?

Wheelbases are similar, but the forester has about 30% more cargo capacity - seats up or down, more passenger space, and is about 6" longer, and 10 inches taller than the crosstrek.

That stated; a 2.4DIT crosstrek with an STi drivetrain might coax the wallet out of my pocket, assuming I can drop it to hatchback ride height, and the 2.4DIT gets dual injection.
this deserves the shut up and take my money gif. But with hope, STI is considering that. I wonder how much more power cobb will get out of the new 2.4DIT.
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In what world is the crosstrek the same size as a forester?

Wheelbases are similar, but the forester has about 30% more cargo capacity - seats up or down, more passenger space, and is about 6" longer, and 10 inches taller than the crosstrek.

That stated; a 2.4DIT crosstrek with an STi drivetrain might coax the wallet out of my pocket, assuming I can drop it to hatchback ride height, and the 2.4DIT gets dual injection.
He's saying new Crosstrek vs old XT. Not current gen Forester

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Overall length: 176.6"
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Overall height including roof rack & cross bars: 65"
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Length 175.8"
Wheelbase 104.9'
Width 71.0", 79.0 with mirrors out, 79.5" with mirrors with turn signals
Height 63.6" to top of roof rails
Ground clearance, at exhaust pipe 8.7"
angle of approach 18*
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Legroom front/rear 43.1"/36.5"
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First they dropped the FXT MT because such a small % bought it (which I still can't believe), and now they have dropped the car altogether for the same reason (low sales). But they haven't advertised the car in 10 years, and most Forester owners don't even know it exists! I drive a '17 XT, and my in-laws on both sides own NA Fozzies. I don't believe Subaru cares about performance anymore. All of their advertising is aimed at young parents (safety) and old farts (mileage). Meanwhile every dodge comercial on TV is a tire smoking party, and the roads are packed with Challengers and Chargers.

Subaru was the poster boy for Tuner/Street Racer/Rally performance for a good 15 or so years in the USA. Now they're all about mileage and safety. Not that those aren't very important (I'm 45 with kids and I do value safety), but it seems like they have turned their back on the loyal performance minded Subaru fans. Sad.

BTW, there was lots of talk about this on SubaruForester.org, but there too most of the performance minded XT owners have disappeared. The few remaining XT owners are pussies.
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Old 06-01-2018, 01:27 PM   #8
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legacy GT - Gone
Legacy wagon - Gone
WRX hatch - Gone
STI hatch - Gone
Forester XT - Gone

Do you see the trend here? Should be of no surprise. I wouldn't be surprised to see the STI go as well. Just a WRX left in the lineup for "performance."
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legacy GT - Gone
Legacy wagon - Gone
Manual Legacy - Gone
WRX hatch - Gone
STI hatch - Gone
Forester XT - Gone

Do you see the trend here? Should be of no surprise. I wouldn't be surprised to see the STI go as well. Just a WRX left in the lineup for "performance."
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Old 06-01-2018, 01:33 PM   #10
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legacy GT - Gone
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WRX hatch - Gone
STI hatch - Gone
Forester XT - Gone

Do you see the trend here? Should be of no surprise. I wouldn't be surprised to see the STI go as well. Just a WRX left in the lineup for "performance."
And that WRX will only be available with a CVT.
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Their is some talk of Subaru reintroducing the Forester XT, so it maybe temporary. Maybe the FA24DIT is going to make its way into the Forester and they are giving it a year to work any potential issues in the Ascent. If the 10% take is true that is almost 18K sales per year which isn't bad. Most of the other model Subaru has been discontinuing have been well under 500 in sales for those model.

However, on www.subaruforester.org, the sales prices of the FXT are pretty discounted compare to other Subaru (well under invoice). I wonder if Subaru is having dealer incentives to move the XT Foresters. It doesn't seem like Subaru has any plans to reintroduce many of the discontinued models, maybe the Turbo Legacy and Outback models due to the 3.6R going away.
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And that WRX will only be available with a CVT.
Maybe they'll start throwing in toasters or a microwave on the deals like banks used to do.
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srsly though..

STI Crosstrek *with hoodscoop and I am sold.. first mod would be lowering it a bit though... then mudflaps..then axleback..
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srsly though..

STI Crosstrek *with hoodscoop and I am sold.. first mod would be lowering it a bit though... then mudflaps..then axleback..
no kidding, the forester xt craze started with the smaller bodied foresters. The new forester has grown out of that size. The new crosstrek is now similar in size to the older forester. Maybe a crosstrek xt can take over for the old forester xt. It is much nicer interior and body and on a much better chassis.
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https://www.torquenews.com/4830/thri...th-forester-xt

So last month Subaru announced that the Forester XT wouldn't be coming with the next-gen 2019+ Forester lineup. It kinda makes sense to me, sales have slumped tremendously for the XT because the Forester is now a proper small/mid-size SUV and people don't buy those for performance.

However, it's pretty much UNDENIABLE that a turbo Crosstrek would sell like hotcakes.

See, the Crosstrek is the same size, if not a tad bigger than what the Forester was when the XT was a big deal. People didn't stop buying the Forester XT, they just started buying Crosstreks and Mazda CX-5's and perhaps just decided on the WRX and did without the extra space.

Am I right? I mean it makes perfect sense to me.
There was tons of talk. You’re a month late. In the Forester thread there was much crying and gnashing of teeth by myself and others. It sucks, really sucks.
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My viewpoint is the Forester became its own thing at the 3rd gen. The original Forester was really just a very ideal wagon Impreza. The Crosstrek is the spiritual successor to the first two generations of Forester. I'd probably own a Crosstrek right now if it came with a turbo. I'd really own one right now if it came with the STI 6-speed and said turbo.

The CX-5 has the problem the NA Subarus have. It lacks power. There are many people NOT buying the CX-5 because it has a weak engine and is a bit of a dog to drive. The NA Crosstreks and now Foresters will have the same problem. There will be a group of people who will specifically NOT buy the car because it lacks power. No turbo and no 3.6R means a chunk of people aren't buying, period. Hopefully these people mossey over to the Outback for the 3.6R or something, otherwise these people are stepping to other brands. Frankly, something like a Jeep Cherokee is a really nice car, and has a V6 option. I'd actually own one right now if the reliability was better known when I was car shopping. I even cross shopped some other vehicles like the CX-9 (turbo, woo!, but vehicle felt unpolished overall). I mean the Forester and Outbacks are getting big enough that 3 row SUVs are basically the same size.

There's really too much competition out there for Subaru to get chincy. Subaru's getting big enough where they don't even have to be conservative anymore. They can do some moonshot projects and offer some more interesting cars.
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...maybe the Turbo Legacy and Outback models due to the 3.6R going away.
The 3.6R is a really nice engine though. I've always found it dumb Subaru hasn't pushed this engine into more vehicles. It makes the power of their turbos but with more instant push and overall smoother delivery. It's mileage is better than any of the turbos. Yeah, you can argue size and weight, but frankly it's still a better driving experience. To this day I'm amazed they didn't offer it in the Forester from gen 3 on. I would even enjoy a STI variant with higher compression, hotter cams, and tuned for premium fuel. Subaru left TONS of HP on the table with this engine due it its midrange gearing. Sure it's punchy off idle, but it falls flat when you wind it out. That's the only reason this engine has ever been slow. They literally neutered 70HP off the top end. I mean look at Nissan's VQ engines. The VQ 3.7L in the Nismo 370Z is a 350HP engine, almost 100HP higher than the Subaru. I mean the Subaru engine will run 300,000 miles flawlessly because it's so under driven, but where's the fun in that? Subaru really missed the boat with the H6. They could be trading punches with Porsche if they wanted to. They just don't. Heck people put Subaru engines in porsches. Plus a STI could have sounded like this:
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First they dropped the FXT MT because such a small % bought it (which I still can't believe), and now they have dropped the car altogether for the same reason (low sales). But they haven't advertised the car in 10 years, and most Forester owners don't even know it exists! I drive a '17 XT, and my in-laws on both sides own NA Fozzies. I don't believe Subaru cares about performance anymore. All of their advertising is aimed at young parents (safety) and old farts (mileage). Meanwhile every dodge comercial on TV is a tire smoking party, and the roads are packed with Challengers and Chargers.

Subaru was the poster boy for Tuner/Street Racer/Rally performance for a good 15 or so years in the USA. Now they're all about mileage and safety. Not that those aren't very important (I'm 45 with kids and I do value safety), but it seems like they have turned their back on the loyal performance minded Subaru fans. Sad.

BTW, there was lots of talk about this on SubaruForester.org, but there too most of the performance minded XT owners have disappeared. The few remaining XT owners are pussies.
The XT take rate was more like 5%.

We had a 2008 XT manual for 268 days. We would avoid all manuals now if we could. They just sit and sit and sit on the lots. IMO, there are plenty of buyers out there. The problem is the right car. "I want a blue one"....when the red one is sitting on our lot. And the vast majority of them don't want to wait on an order. And when it comes to the sales side, the manual buyer is either the nicest, easiest customer, or the meanest, rudest. There never seems to be a middle ground one.

I think Subaru cares plenty for performance and their enthusiasts. I'd say it was the other way around. "Performance/power buyers" started moving away from these cars when gas prices started rising and they required premium. Became more expensive than they were fun. Those "5%"ers are the "true enthusiasts" that the MPG doesn't matter as much. I wouldn't say at all that Subaru "abandoned" these so called "loyalists" as the "loyalists" abandoned Subaru as the gas prices went up!
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Don’t meddle facts concerning manuals and XTs. That’s old, stale data that has no relevance here, so don’t bring it up.
The current XTs flew off the lots at my dealer - Heuberger - they couldn’t keep them on the lot.
Even now. It was a poor decision and sometimes brand image is worth “carrying” a halo SUV that is still profitable! Very poor marketing decision. There are 14+ XTs all over the place in CO. Like crap tons of them. So we must’ve bought all 10% of them.
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The XT take rate was more like 5%.

We had a 2008 XT manual for 268 days. We would avoid all manuals now if we could. They just sit and sit and sit on the lots. IMO, there are plenty of buyers out there. The problem is the right car. "I want a blue one"....when the red one is sitting on our lot. And the vast majority of them don't want to wait on an order. And when it comes to the sales side, the manual buyer is either the nicest, easiest customer, or the meanest, rudest. There never seems to be a middle ground one.

I think Subaru cares plenty for performance and their enthusiasts. I'd say it was the other way around. "Performance/power buyers" started moving away from these cars when gas prices started rising and they required premium. Became more expensive than they were fun. Those "5%"ers are the "true enthusiasts" that the MPG doesn't matter as much. I wouldn't say at all that Subaru "abandoned" these so called "loyalists" as the "loyalists" abandoned Subaru as the gas prices went up!
So-called?

They've abandoned me... and after 27 years of buying nothing-but, including seven turbo Subarus, I consider myself a valid enthusiast and Subaru loyalist.

Nothing lasts forever. Loyalty is earned, enthusiasm requires input. Subaru has removed both. C'est la vie.
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My first Subie was a brand new '06 FXT. Loved it... but the x-wife got it. New wife has my LGT and I drive my STI, so still a 2 Subaru household. Sad to see it go, but things change.

We are a "Premium" gasoline household too, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future
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So-called?

They've abandoned me... and after 27 years of buying nothing-but, including seven turbo Subarus, I consider myself a valid enthusiast and Subaru loyalist.

Nothing lasts forever. Loyalty is earned, enthusiasm requires input. Subaru has removed both. C'est la vie.
Generalization. I know it doesn't apply to EVERYONE. You should know me better than that.

I also meant to include not only gas prices; but, EPA junk as well.
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Don’t meddle facts concerning manuals and XTs. That’s old, stale data that has no relevance here, so don’t bring it up.
The current XTs flew off the lots at my dealer - Heuberger - they couldn’t keep them on the lot.
Even now. It was a poor decision and sometimes brand image is worth “carrying” a halo SUV that is still profitable! Very poor marketing decision. There are 14+ XTs all over the place in CO. Like crap tons of them. So we must’ve bought all 10% of them.
Don't meddle Heuberger here as it has no relevance. EVERYTHING flies off Heubergers lot. They were probably 4% of that 5% total.

Stale data or not, it is relevant. Sit one day and call dealers outside of high volume areas and ask their view on having a manual on the lots. Can't dealer trade them as no one wants one. No one wants them why? Cause they don't sell. If they did, everyone would want them and they'd be more readily available. No clue how that is not relevant.

I think Subaru kept the manual around longer than they really wanted to. You know, to keep those "loyalists" happy. I kid. I kid.
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