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Old 03-17-2019, 12:03 PM   #1
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Default Class Action Lawsuit Settlement 2012-2017(WRX / STI) - Rod Bearing Failures

Forgive me if this was posted elsewhere (recently). Didn't see anything current under Warranty or 2.5L technical.

Seems the class action lawsuit against SOA for engine related failures due to connecting rod bearing or main bearing is almost complete. Final determination is June 5, 2019 .

To qualify you must have bought or leased a MY 2012-2014 Impreza WRX or MY 2012-2017 WRX STI with VINs ending with CG203168 and up for 5 door models, and CG006225 through H9826807 for 4 door models.

If you had an issue, some level of reimbursement is possible, including rental car. You have to submit a claim form.

If you haven't had an issue, your powertrain warranty is automatically extended to 8yrs / 100,000. You don't have to do anything for this.

I'm sure stipulations apply, but this should be a real win for owners who suffered failures, and gives those who have not some additional piece of mind.

More info can be found here:

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Old 03-19-2019, 07:53 PM   #2
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Are 2018/19 not affected?
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Old 03-24-2019, 12:34 PM   #3
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Are 2018/19 not affected?
Internals were changed starting in 2018.
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Old 03-24-2019, 06:20 PM   #4
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I received the notice a few weeks ago.

Not modded, no issues, will not opt-out of class-action suit and will accept the extended power-train warranty with the covenants.
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:22 PM   #5
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I got mine in the mail as well.
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:09 PM   #6
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I got mine in the mail as well.
what kind of notice did you get in the mail?
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:36 PM   #7
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Would the 8/100k be for all owners, or just the original?
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:53 PM   #8
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Would the 8/100k be for all owners, or just the original?
I'm the second owner of my 2017 STi and I got the notice in the mail.
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Old 03-28-2019, 02:09 PM   #9
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what the?
I haven't gotten SH$#
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Old 04-01-2019, 08:51 PM   #10
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what the?
I haven't gotten SH$#
There is a vin range, you might not be affected.

"vehicle identification number (VIN) ending with CG203168 and up for 5-
door models, and CG006225 through H9826807 for 4-door models"
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Old 04-06-2019, 04:26 AM   #11
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I have a 2017 sti with vin number right outside the range of the one on this list (H9827XXX). Does anyone know why they capped the range of the VIN to H9826807? Did Subaru identified and corrected the issue for vehicles outside this vin range?
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Old 04-13-2019, 04:42 PM   #12
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I’m sure they will not reimburse anything if the work was done by yourself.
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:05 AM   #13
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I have a 2017 sti with vin number right outside the range of the one on this list (H9827XXX). Does anyone know why they capped the range of the VIN to H9826807? Did Subaru identified and corrected the issue for vehicles outside this vin range?
My thoughts exactly. My '17 STi H9835***, but still assembled in 2017.
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Old 04-23-2019, 01:33 PM   #14
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Bumping this thread. Any new news or rumors? Really want to know about ext warranty, because I really want to run a cobb and get a tune. Stupid 90 octane.
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Old 04-28-2019, 02:00 PM   #15
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Next milestone:

The Court will hold a Fairness Hearing at 11 a.m. on June 5, 2019
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Old 06-11-2019, 03:01 PM   #16
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any update? I hate how hard it is to find info on these things. I just want to know if i have a longer warranty on my stock 14
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My thoughts exactly. My '17 STi H9835***, but still assembled in 2017.
I skimmed through the latest update on the website linked in the OP. To date, I haven't found anything official about why the 2012-2017 models were flagged. Reading through that legalese in the OP, it simply says the plaintiffs allege Subaru screwed up with manufacture, and Subaru denies those allegations saying there was nothing wrong with manufacturing.

Then it goes on to list all the escape clauses for how Subaru can get out of the extended warranty of 8yrs/100k miles, or reimbursement, that is being offered as compensation for those affected. I think they're fair exceptions, but there are of course countless threads on nasioc and iwsti discussing how the dealers are seemingly targeting WRX/STI owners for abuse unfairly.
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Old 06-11-2019, 05:54 PM   #18
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Default Settlement Clarification and ECU Memory?

Website here:

http://www.enginebearings.settlementclass.com/

Read through the settlement agreement, paying attention to the parts that pertain to eligibility/ineligibility, disregarding sections about reimbursement if you have not made repairs yet (aka, just wondering if you are/will be covered under the extended warranty).


For the folks asking about why the class members only fall within a certain VIN range, or certain MY despite having the same engine, there is a very high chance the answer is LAWYERS and not some technical determination. A multinational car manufacturer like Subaru has teams of lawyers on hand whose main job is to limit financial damage to the manufacturer.

A lot of times the litigation is a lot like a negotiation, and the lawyers are very good at negotiating down the manufacturers exposure without having actual evidence of why certain cars should be included/excluded. If you are excluded and feel that you shouldn't be, you can still sue Subaru yourself since you have not been absolved of that right under the class action lawsuit. The cheaper and probably easier option is to find a stock WRX/STi that DOES fall within the range and swap your vehicle for that one, as unfortunate as it is.


Class action lawsuits are not just to benefit the class members, but also to allow the defendant to absolve themselves of the risk of further legal action by class members while never admitting any wrongdoing. This is why there is the opportunity to exclude yourself from the class action settlement, if you feel that the reparations are not fair and you deserve more compensation. An example of this would be if your wheels locked up as a result of an engine failure and you were severely injured, you could not sue Subaru if you are a member of the class and did not exclude yourself by the deadline.

This is not a fair world we live in, it is a competitive one, so the best thing to do is to think about how best to handle your individual situation as it pertains to this class action settlement.


I really am wondering how they intend on proving prior modifications to your car. Physical mods will likely be hard to prove as long as they were reversed before the car was brought in for warranty repair, but is there any form of logging within the ECU? Does it remember telemetry data? Does it remember how many times it was flashed and what the previous tunes were?

Subaru specifically mentions "unmarried" ECU's (COBB AP). How will they know the car was at some point married????? I did not think ECU's had any ancillary memory outside of the memory that carries the whole tune, but I don't know much about them.

At the end of the day I doubt Subie dealers will spend a ton of time trying to prove you wrong about prior mods if the evidence is not obvious. But if there is an electronic record on the ECU's that they can see this class action settlement will likely apply to very few people with these cars, and means we are one step close to Big Brother watching each and every part of our lives.

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Website here:

http://www.enginebearings.settlementclass.com/

Read through the settlement agreement, paying attention to the parts that pertain to eligibility/ineligibility, disregarding sections about reimbursement if you have not made repairs yet (aka, just wondering if you are/will be covered under the extended warranty).


For the folks asking about why the class members only fall within a certain VIN range, or certain MY despite having the same engine, there is a very high chance the answer is LAWYERS and not some technical determination. A multinational car manufacturer like Subaru has teams of lawyers on hand whose main job is to limit financial damage to the manufacturer.

A lot of times the litigation is a lot like a negotiation, and the lawyers are very good at negotiating down the manufacturers exposure without having actual evidence of why certain cars should be included/excluded. If you are excluded and feel that you shouldn't be, you can still sue Subaru yourself since you have not been absolved of that right under the class action lawsuit. The cheaper and probably easier option is to find a stock WRX/STi that DOES fall within the range and swap your vehicle for that one, as unfortunate as it is.


Class action lawsuits are not just to benefit the class members, but also to allow the defendant to absolve themselves of the risk of further legal action by class members while never admitting any wrongdoing. This is why there is the opportunity to exclude yourself from the class action settlement, if you feel that the reparations are not fair and you deserve more compensation. An example of this would be if your wheels locked up as a result of an engine failure and you were severely injured, you could not sue Subaru if you are a member of the class and did not exclude yourself by the deadline.

This is not a fair world we live in, it is a competitive one, so the best thing to do is to think about how best to handle your individual situation as it pertains to this class action settlement.
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I really am wondering how they intend on proving prior modifications to your car. Physical mods will likely be hard to prove as long as they were reversed before the car was brought in for warranty repair, but is there any form of logging within the ECU? Does it remember telemetry data? Does it remember how many times it was flashed and what the previous tunes were?

Subaru specifically mentions "unmarried" ECU's (COBB AP). How will they know the car was at some point married????? I did not think ECU's had any ancillary memory outside of the memory that carries the whole tune, but I don't know much about them.

At the end of the day I doubt Subie dealers will spend a ton of time trying to prove you wrong about prior mods if the evidence is not obvious. But if there is an electronic record on the ECU's that they can see this class action settlement will likely apply to very few people with these cars, and means we are one step close to Big Brother watching each and every part of our lives.

Speedslayerr
The prevailing theory is that the dealer CAN find out if you've flashed the ECU to a different map, and not just through an engine start counter which would be affected by a battery reset/replacement. On the flipside, you still hear stories of Subaru "factory-trained technicians" pulling absolute intake pressure from the ECU and quoting that as evidence of modifications, as opposed to reading the normalized boost pressure. (14.7 psi boost pressure = 29.4 psi absolute pressure)

Also, generally speaking the first mod people do is an OTS map and a downpipe, so even if you've reverted to stock, the bolt heads on the downpipe could be scratched up. Hell, I've removed my intercooler a few times and lost the clips that hold the PCV hoses onto that black hardpipe, so I'm using zip ties. I wonder if that'd count as evidence of modification
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Old 06-12-2019, 01:44 PM   #20
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2012 wrx 97,487 miles. They covered the short block and labor. I had to pay for the heads and a new turbo. Had to dig up every oil filter and oil receipt I could find. Also had them do clutch and flywheel and timing belt. It's been a little over a month should be starting it this week.

They sent data from my ecu to Subaru. I have be totally stock since I bought it with 21,000 miles. Took awhile for them to take my engine apart and then wait for Subaru to come look at it then order parts.
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Thanks for the info.
I'm in the range, the second owner, and haven't seen a notice in the mail. I've only owned the car since April though. The car is registered on MySubaru. Guess I need to keep an eye on this.
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