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Old 08-30-2019, 11:24 PM   #1
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Hey guys. I know the STI vs WRX question has probably come up 1000 times.. But I'm here to ask again lol. I'm between a Limited WRX w/ harmon kardon and a base STI, pricing difference I'm looking at is 3k, and on paper I know I probably should go with the WRX... But I've always wanted the STI, and after test driving the STI (test drove a 2019) I love the steering feel, rumble from the UEL headers, feeling of the gearbox, the shorter gears--basically everything about the way driving it feels. I think the driving modes and dccd are cool as well, and this is probably the last "toy" car I'm going to be able to get before I need something more practical (family/house in the coming years).

I really want my fiancee to be on board with my purchase, but she is totally against the STI--she hates the wing and thinks it's not worth it to spend 3k more on less features (which I understand from her perspective). Do you guys have any practical reasons I can try to justify me wanting an STI? Part of the reason I'm getting a car is for AWD, we just moved back to upstate NY and RWD isn't the best in the snow--I've heard the manual DCCD setting can be a bit better handling in the snow. The only other feature it has (that she cares about at least) is the dual climate control..

I realize that I don't need a beefier transmission, better brakes, lower gearing, etc for my daily driver--but I've always wanted the STI!
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Old 08-30-2019, 11:40 PM   #2
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You need to explain in practical terms why the STI is better than a wrx and worth the extra 3k. Sounds like she's not into cars. I'm glad I don't have to deal with a woman right now. Has two STI's.
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Old 08-31-2019, 01:36 AM   #3
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Unfortunately, none of us can give you a reason why the STI is more practical.. it's not. Maybe the best argument is that it's better than the WRX so you want want to modify it as much?

There's no convincing a non-car enthusiast why the STI is the "better" buy.. because practically and financially it's not. The engagement and enjoyment that you feel while driving the STI can't be explained to someone that doesn't care about the driving experience. The reality is that fuel economy and comfort/convenience features are what's most important to the majority of drivers now. That's why the manual transmission is going extinct.

Your best bet may to be to rationalize with her that you're already giving up your "toy" 2 door, RWD sports car for a more practical, 4 door, AWD car in preparation for your future family and needs. In which case you should be able to get the car that will bring you the most enjoyment and that you'll keep the longest. You can even sell her on the STI holding its value better and depreciating less than the WRX. Try to pitch it as the financially smart thing to do in the long run. It may not be 100% accurate, but that'll be many years down the road

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Old 08-31-2019, 08:51 AM   #4
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Needing to placate someone youíre not married to isnít a great way to get started with life.

My wife of 10 years has zero input into my choice of car.
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Old 08-31-2019, 09:08 AM   #5
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The STI has 3 limited slip differentials which would increase traction in snow and bad weather. The wrx does not.
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Old 08-31-2019, 09:19 AM   #6
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It will make you happy so do it. Brakes, steering, rumble (with the help of a catback), styling, analog feel all make it worth the extra money to me. I just went through this before buying my 2019 sti but I donít regret it one bit. Cobb throttle mapping made a world of difference, but thatís a different subject...
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Old 08-31-2019, 09:57 AM   #7
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Phew, sounds like you need to wear the pants brother.

But in all seriousness, compromise and get a wingless STI to calm her down. If you can't you can't find middle ground, tell her to take a hike.
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Old 08-31-2019, 10:31 AM   #8
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Happy Wife (Fiancee) Happy life. Good relationships are about compromises. For instance, I ****ing hate dogs (I know I'm a horrible person), especially small ones, my wife loves them, she knows I tolerate them for her and she tolerates my weird obsession about cars.

I totally understand her apprehension about the wing, a car normie see's that wing as absolutely ridiculous, especially on the mostly pedestrian WRX/STi body. They don't see the flared fenders, lower rear diffuser, quad exhaust, and the wide side skirts like we do. If I did not know what a WRX/STi was, the history, and it's performance, I would think it looked ridiculous too.

The WRX is a fine car, I had an 16 WRX before my 19 STi. The WRX felt just as fast, if not faster than my 19 STi, power delivery so different though. I'm not just about going fast though, and you already discovered the things that make the STi special, and for 3k difference you'll have buyers remorse the first time you pull up to an STi and see those 6-pot Brembos, with those nice 19" wheels, and listen to it rumble.

So here are you STi selling points:

It's a 3K difference:

- Those brakes calipers alone cost 4k (2.5k if you shop around) and I really want them. $$$
- I'm going to have to buy new wheels for the WRX cause I don't like them, if I get the STi I won't have to. $$
- The WRX shifter is so sloppy, I'll have to fix that $
- The stock tune on the WRX is meh, I'll need to go stage one and than I'll void my warranty $$$$$$$$
- The STi retains it's value better, when we have kids, I'll trade this in for a minivan and we'll get more money. $$$$

The wing issue:
So what pisses me off about Subaru is you have to get the limited to get rid of the wing, there goes your 3K difference. So you have a few options. Trunk Swap (free), buy another trunk and have a body shop paint it (~1k for that), or just take that wing off, cover the holes with some vinyl and swap out the trunk torsion bars (~80) or just deal with a catapult trunk (happens due to stronger torsion bars for the weight of the wing). When you trade it in, you can just put the wing back on.

Hope this helps!
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Old 08-31-2019, 10:52 AM   #9
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I know itís your car but, she can have her opinions but ultimately itís YOURS. I have been with my wife for 19 years so Iím not talking out of my ass here. Eventually she will want a vehicle your not in love with and she should still get it. Hell my wife traded her new twin turbo Ford Taurus sho for a fancy slow ass Lexus. Not what I would have done!! In my experience itís best to get her involved and enjoying it also. Has she driven either car? She will if you buy it and marry her, so she might as well drive it now. Let her drive both and she will agree with you the sti is the needed car here!!
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Old 08-31-2019, 11:52 AM   #10
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Just get the STI. Oh you will need AS tires are the very least. Both the WRX/STI are useless in the snow the way they come from the dealer lot.
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Relationships are about compromise. It sounds like the STI limited with the trunk lip spoiler is the best compromise for both of you. You should get what makes you happy, but if the more expensive car stretches you financially then the decision certainly involves your fiance.

If I wasn't able to get the STI then I would have strongly considered the new WRX Performance package with the Recaro seats and Brembo brakes.. but then you don't get all of the nicer features that the limited offers for your wife. I knew I "had" to upgrade to the STI once I realized how much money I was planning to spend to make my WRX more like the STI. The STI drivetrain, Brembos, Recaros, headlights, etc. approached $10k very quickly and at the end of the day it would still be a WRX and not have the resale value of the STI. With that said, the WRX's FA20 is a great engine. With flex fuel & tune it'll easily be faster than even a "stage 1" or "stage 2" STI, but it'll lack the mechanical driving feel of the STI. I still got better gas mileage in my WRX on E50 than I do in my stock STI

At the end of the day, you just have to figure out your family's priorities.. and yes, your happiness is part of that decision.
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Old 08-31-2019, 02:39 PM   #12
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What car does the person paying for the car wants?

That's your answer.

Secondly, the STI is far more than $3000 better than the WRX. But 3000 can be a lot of money if you think it will be.

Thirdly, you can get a STI with a lip spoiler.

Fourthly... in whichever ways the STI is going to be impractical, so will the WRX. Minus the fuel consumption.
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Old 08-31-2019, 03:08 PM   #13
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Awesome guys, I really appreciate all the feedback! I would love the limited sti w/ lip spoiler, but thatís a bit more than I want to spend. I partially caused this problem because I was sold on a limited wrx a few months ago, but after driving the sti and seeing the little price difference between what I was going to order and an sti have changed my mind.

She hasnít driven or actually ridden in the sti (she rode in the wrx a few months ago). Sheís not very comfortable driving stick so sheíd be too nervous haha. Itís a good idea to have her actually check it out. She is awesome in so many ways, but sheís definitely not a car person.

If I did a trunk swap, would that reduce the value of the car a few years down the road?

On a side noteóIím pumped to join the community, Iíll let you guys know what I decide!
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Myself > Car > girlfriend

Nuff said.....
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Happy Wife (Fiancee) Happy life. Good relationships are about compromises. For instance, I ****ing hate dogs (I know I'm a horrible person), especially small ones, my wife loves them, she knows I tolerate them for her and she tolerates my weird obsession about cars.

I totally understand her apprehension about the wing, a car normie see's that wing as absolutely ridiculous, especially on the mostly pedestrian WRX/STi body. They don't see the flared fenders, lower rear diffuser, quad exhaust, and the wide side skirts like we do. If I did not know what a WRX/STi was, the history, and it's performance, I would think it looked ridiculous too.

The WRX is a fine car, I had an 16 WRX before my 19 STi. The WRX felt just as fast, if not faster than my 19 STi, power delivery so different though. I'm not just about going fast though, and you already discovered the things that make the STi special, and for 3k difference you'll have buyers remorse the first time you pull up to an STi and see those 6-pot Brembos, with those nice 19" wheels, and listen to it rumble.

So here are you STi selling points:

It's a 3K difference:

- Those brakes calipers alone cost 4k (2.5k if you shop around) and I really want them. $$$
- I'm going to have to buy new wheels for the WRX cause I don't like them, if I get the STi I won't have to. $$
- The WRX shifter is so sloppy, I'll have to fix that $
- The stock tune on the WRX is meh, I'll need to go stage one and than I'll void my warranty $$$$$$$$
- The STi retains it's value better, when we have kids, I'll trade this in for a minivan and we'll get more money. $$$$

The wing issue:
So what pisses me off about Subaru is you have to get the limited to get rid of the wing, there goes your 3K difference. So you have a few options. Trunk Swap (free), buy another trunk and have a body shop paint it (~1k for that), or just take that wing off, cover the holes with some vinyl and swap out the trunk torsion bars (~80) or just deal with a catapult trunk (happens due to stronger torsion bars for the weight of the wing). When you trade it in, you can just put the wing back on.

Hope this helps!
This guy gets it.

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Phew, sounds like you need to wear the pants brother.

But in all seriousness, compromise and get a wingless STI to calm her down. If you can't you can't find middle ground, tell her to take a hike.
QFT.

Compromise is key, but if you can find somebody that you do not need to compromise with you will be much happier.

My wife practically forced me to buy my Porsche I kept making excuses to not get one, until I made an impulse buy.

I am hoping that the new STi stays as close to the prototype leaks as possible.

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Old 08-31-2019, 11:47 PM   #17
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Needing to placate someone youíre not married to isnít a great way to get started with life.



My wife of 10 years has zero input into my choice of car.


Couldn't of said it better myself!



OP: I realize you and you're fiancee are in it together, but it's upsetting you have to elaborately explain a vehicle purchase to her.



You like the STi more and you want it over the WRX. That's what I'd tell her.

Edit: If you guys are financing together, thatís a different story completely and I understand.

Hereís some food for thought though:







Have you driven both?

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Old 09-01-2019, 12:15 AM   #18
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Ok so ďalmostĒ every corner has been addressed except 2.

Howís the conversation going to go when itís broken or needs $1000 in tires on those 19ís in 20k miles (if you donít buy all seasons and a second set of wheels) Costs after purchase... accessport, cat back, etc... can add up fast. If youíve got the means to cover it without borrowing money from your future spouse I agree with the above statements, but if itís a joint purchase of shared income then that changes the weight of both sides wants and needs...

Also consider making a call to your insurance company, have seen some pretty bad sticker shock come 6mos renewals (and provided no new speeding achievements unlocked, in that fancy new car)
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If the car breaks it's going to have a warranty. STI or WRX will be the same. Also, repair costs are pretty much the same. The oil change is a bit more complicated on the STI, but the costs of maintenance are almost the same; even the dealer charges the same for regular maintenance WRX and STI. In my case, I'm also paying the same insurance rate (cost went up a bit because at the time my WRX was 3yr old vs a brand new STI). Gas is a lot more $, so that has to go into the budget.

If the guy's going to modify an STI, he will modify the WRX as well. So if it breaks and gets no warranty coverage, it's going to be the same conversation STI or WRX. Modifying a WRX for power will be a bit cheaper though.

But I think the most important is:
If the future wife is going to drive this car, then get the WRX. She will HATE the STI. My initial reply sort of revolved around having 2 cars... but if it's going to be a shared/family car get the WRX. Do some simple warranty safe mods to improve a bit on it, but the wife will enjoy the WRX a lot more.

WRX feels a bit weaker or whatever... but that also makes it simpler to drive and deal with. The STI you kind of have to be a car person to enjoy.

If you add heavy city driving, she will not only hate it, but set fire to the STI.

Edit to add:
To give perspective, I had a 2016 WRX because my wife was also going to drive it, and she did for about 2yrs. But then, situation changed and she got a new car, so it was only me using it... I got the STI and it's incalculably better; but the WRX was plenty good. The wife initially hated it, but then she started actually appreciating it after getting subie waves and being able to gun it with power on demand. She now hates the STI, mostly because of the wing and rumble. But she doesn't drive it, so i don't care.
We've been married 10+ yrs, dated 5 or so yrs before. Now have 2 boys and we take lots of family summer and winter/snow trips. The kids love the STI waaaaaaaay more than the WRX. So that settles it. Crushing defeat.

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If youíve got the means to cover it without borrowing money from your future spouse I agree with the above statements, but if itís a joint purchase of shared income then that changes the weight of both sides wants and needs...

Also consider making a call to your insurance company, have seen some pretty bad sticker shock come 6mos renewals (and provided no new speeding achievements unlocked, in that fancy new car)
Well put. Your fiance should have an opinion if it's a shared expense or will stretch you financially to where you may have to lean more on her for bills in the future. You don't want to start a marriage with financial tension with big expenses in the near future (wedding, house, kids, etc.). Ignore everything I just said if you have sufficient funds to afford either car comfortably

Go ahead and get an insurance quote for both if you haven't already. My STI was actually a few dollars cheaper per month than my WRX through Progressive.

The only other ongoing cost difference between the two is fuel. The gas mileage is a lot worse in the STI which may be something to consider if you have a long work commute. I get ~8 mpg worse in my STI on my 40 mile highway commute @ ~75 mph (22 vs 30 mpg).
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Do yourself a favor and if you can truly afford the price difference just get it.
As far as convincing, safest car on the road, resell value, 4 doors, awd and subie wave.
Good luck!
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Thanks again guys, Iím blown away at the feedback everyone has given! Those pictures definitely confirm my decision! Iím pretty sure Iím going to put in an order on a 2020 limited sti with the lip spoiler(if not limited sti, then the base sti)! Gotta see what the dealer quotes on the price today, and see what kind of deal I can make. The limited sti is a little bit more than I wanted to spend, but itís not going to break the bank.

Since Iíve already asked the controversial wrx vs sti debate, I may as well take it a step further and see what you guys think about addons haha. Iím thinking the body side mounding and rain guards (the rain guards I could probably add myself later if itíll be cheaper). What do you guys think about the short throw shifter (how much difference does it make)? The sti I test drove had it, so Iím not sure how long the throw is without it. I also see the shifter bushing is cheap, and I donít think the STIs I drove had it. Other than that, are there any ďmust havesĒ you guys would definitely get? I realize this is preference and all, just curious what your opinions are.
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1. Never try to talk to a non-car person about why you should buy the better car.

2. Don't buy a minivan.
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I realize that I don't need a beefier transmission, better brakes, lower gearing, etc for my daily driver--but I've always wanted the STI!
That's probably the best reason to get one. Honestlly though, coming from the old GD WRX that still had a rear LSD (the current is open both front and rear) to the STI, the STI AWD is definitely better in winter and putting power down mid/out of corners.

I don't quite agree with the "wifey no input" statements though. Big purchases should have both people on board... but that's just me. I'm sure she'll like it though -- its tough to get non-car people to understand where the extra cost goes to and, imo the drivetrain is worth it.

As far as "must haves" i think the lip and any of those extra lower aero pieces are a must... just looks more complete.

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