Toyota Supra: US 4Cyl Imminent

[SubaDuba420]

U.S.-Market Toyota Supra Four-Cylinder Announcement Likely Imminent
American MkV Supra buyers should soon have a four-banger option

https://www.motortrend.com/news/u-s-...ment-imminent/

We recently spoke with Ed Laukes, Toyota's group vice president of marketing, at the 2020 Chicago auto show where we asked him if the four-cylinder option would make its way here—we were told to stay tuned until next week. Next week, as many NASCAR fans certainly know, is the Daytona 500. Toyota manufactures seven of the 43 cars entered in next Sunday's race, and we believe Toyota will use the race weekend as an opportunity to announce the arrival of the four-cylinder Supra to the U.S. market.
A recent California Air Resources Board filling shows that a 2.0 liter, I-4 powered Supra has been certified for sale in California, along with the BMW models that share its engine. If an engine has been emissions-certified in California, a state with some of the strictest emissions regulations in the country, it's likely that the same engine can be sold anywhere in the United States. We've postulated for a while that the entry-level Supra could be coming, but now it appears we'll hear the news very soon.

As a refresher, the four-cylinder is already available in Japan—and in two states of tune. The base version of the 2.0-liter four-banger makes 194 horsepower and 236 lb-ft of torque, and the more powerful variant offers 225 horsepower and 295 lb-ft. For a little perspective, the BMW Z4 s30i—also offered with a 2.0-liter four cylinder—develops 255 horses and 295 lb-ft. It's almost certain we'll only get the more powerful version, possibly with even more grunt.

So is Toyota going to make a four-cylinder announcement next week at Daytona? Laukes said he would be in Florida for the race, and we think the chances are high. Now we wait to find out.

Curious how this will affect the BRZ/GT86 power level & pricing

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[4S-TURBO]

Yeah nobody asked for this. They did ask for a manual option tho. Lost in translation.

[FromEvoToRS37]

They did this for people to do engine swaps

[SoFlaRRRex]

Originally Posted by FromEvoToRS37

They did this for people to do engine swaps

What are they putting in?

[slimfit]

2JZs with manual transmissions

[SoFlaRRRex]

Originally Posted by slimfit

2JZs with manual transmissions

Gotcha. Hah. Obvious answer was obvious.

[slimfit]

I was honestly joking. But it’s only a matter of time for someone does that or an LS swap.

[subyski]

Originally Posted by SubaDuba420

Curious how this will affect the BRZ/GT86 power level & pricing

If the 4 cyl does arrive here. It could keep the 86/BRZ price in check as they wouldn't want too much overlap.

[Dex]

Nail in the coffin for any turbo twins, eh? Unless they go automatic only for the Supra, and MT option for the twins, lol.

[oichan]

The more important question is whether they will offer a MT option for USA in the higher output Supras. If yes, chances are I will buy one. If no, no matter what engine, I will not buy one.

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by Dex

Nail in the coffin for any turbo twins, eh?

I really hope not.

The two are still very different cars.

[BeepBoop]

I'm interested to see the price difference to laugh at how over-valued they think performance is.

If it comes in 20k cheaper and basically the same in every other fashion (minus all the supporting stuff, if any, such as exhaust) I'll be back on here moaning some more about how retarded and overpriced "real" supra is.

[Diz]

A 4 cylinder automatic Supra is the answer to a question that nobody is asking. A manual, OTOH, is a different story.

[White out]

Originally Posted by Dex

Nail in the coffin for any turbo twins, eh? Unless they go automatic only for the Supra, and MT option for the twins, lol.

That's what I'm thinking.

[heavyD]

The B48 is one of the better 4 cylinder engines around. Hopefully they put in the 301 hp version or the 255 hp version at the very least and match it with the 6 speed manual from the M2/M3. Could be a bit lighter and maybe better track focussed version.

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by oichan

The more important question is whether they will offer a MT option for USA in the higher output Supras. If yes, chances are I will buy one. If no, no matter what engine, I will not buy one.

No. Guess you have to go 4 banger.

[oichan]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

No. Guess you have to go 4 banger.

If they do release a MT, a 4 banger Supra is better than nothing I suppose.

[SubaDuba420]

Originally Posted by BeepBoop

I'm interested to see the price difference to laugh at how over-valued they think performance is.

If it comes in 20k cheaper and basically the same in every other fashion (minus all the supporting stuff, if any, such as exhaust) I'll be back on here moaning some more about how retarded and overpriced "real" supra is.

While not exactly peaches to peaches, the Diff between the Z430i & the Z4M40i is only $14k and that includes considerably more Equip on the M40i than just the engine. SO i'm thinking $20k cheaper is not very realistic as that would put the Supra 4Cyl starting price at $29k, only $2k more than the GT86

Originally Posted by oichan

If they do release a MT, a 4 banger Supra is better than nothing I suppose.

And while i have no interest in either version at this point, it's not as if the 4cyl is a dog, the Z4 4Cyl claims 0-60 in 5.2 sec. Perhaps not fast enough for Domenic Toretto but not exactly a slouch

[Pre]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

No. Guess you have to go 4 banger.

Nah FI’d 3 banger in a 3 door hatch.

We just may have to finger bang old Mary Jane RottenCrotch at Toyo HQ to get it.

[jimmi]

Is the 4 cylinder turbo charged?

[vapore0n]

Originally Posted by jimmi

Is the 4 cylinder turbo charged?

seeing as it will be a BMW engine, I say yes.

[arghx7]

This car is turning into an early 80s Celica, with the 4 cylinder RWD base car and the "Celica Supra" as the optional I6.

Obligatory: No manual, no care.

The only worthwhile driving configurations now are full EV (convenience of an auto with the response of a manual) or manual non hybrid ICE for the driver engagement.

[SCRAPPYDO]

Originally Posted by arghx7

This car is turning into an early 80s Celica, with the 4 cylinder RWD base car and the "Celica Supra" as the optional I6.

Obligatory: No manual, no care.

The only worthwhile driving configurations now are full EV (convenience of an auto with the response of a manual) or manual non hybrid ICE for the driver engagement.

so no manual no care, but you like EV???

EV are the antithesis for driver engagement

[deanstevenson]

Originally Posted by arghx7

This car is turning into an early 80s Celica, with the 4 cylinder RWD base car and the "Celica Supra" as the optional I6.

Obligatory: No manual, no care.

Wow, I had not even thought of that potential. They could release the 4 cylinder as a Celica and retain the 6 cylinder as the Supra. That's an interesting take.

I'll have to jump in on the obligatory: No manual, no care.

[Doobie Scoo]

Originally Posted by arghx7

This car is turning into an early 80s Celica, with the 4 cylinder RWD base car and the "Celica Supra" as the optional I6.

Obligatory: No manual, no care.

The only worthwhile driving configurations now are full EV (convenience of an auto with the response of a manual) or manual non hybrid ICE for the driver engagement.

The FT86 already fills the Celica like option in the line up. Similar power, weight and size, and designed as a sports car from the beginning. Compare it to it's name sake the AE86 and about the only thing it has in common is the name.

The S FR concept is much more akin to the AE86 than the twins.