2021 Toyota Supra

4S-TURBO · 06-17-2020, 07:53 PM

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GR Supra A91 Edition
Style that's exclusively GR Supra. Limited to just 500 units in Nocturnal and 500 units in Refraction, A91 Edition takes a 3.0 and adds forged 19-inch matte-black wheels, satin-black graphics, carbon-fiber mirror caps and a unique satin-black-painted carbon-fiber rear lip spoiler. Inside, interior surfaces are trimmed in Black leather, Black and Blue Alcantara® and blue contrast stitching.

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A perfect balance
Inspired by GR Supra's racing heritage, GR Supra 2.0 features an all-new turbocharged 4-cylinder engine rated at 255 horsepower and 295 lb.-ft. of torque. Its compact length allows it to sit far back in the engine compartment, helping GR Supra 2.0 achieve a perfect 50/50 front/rear weight distribution.

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More Power. Because, Why Not?

The 2020 Toyota GR Supra brought the revered model back in a blaze of speed, with acceleration and handling performance that outshone even its illustrious A80 predecessor. For 2021, Toyota is keeping the pedal down, boosting output of the Supra’s turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six from 335 hp at 5,000-6,500 rpm to 382 hp at 5,800-6,500 rpm, a 14-percent increase. Torque rises from 365 lb.-ft. at 1,600-4,500 rpm to 368 lb.-ft. at 1,800-5,000 rpm.

The increased output results from a slew of upgrades throughout the engine. The new dual-branch exhaust manifold, with six ports instead of two, improves heat management. A new piston design reduces the engine’s compression ratio from 11:1 to 10.2:1.

The greatly revised engine produces higher torque at higher rpm and retains the eagerness to rev with turbine-like smoothness. Toyota projects that the new engine will reduce the Supra 3.0 model’s 0-60 acceleration time to 3.9 seconds, from 4.1. The 8-speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters carries over for 2021.

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehi...design-section

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2021 Toyota GR Supra 2.0 and 3.0 pricing goes official:The four-cylinder is $8,000 cheaper than the inline-six

Jun 17th 2020 at 8:01AM

We’ve driven the updated 2021 Toyota Supras already, and now we know the prices for the more powerful inline-six and the new four-cylinder. The inline-six price increases by a smidge, up to $51,945, including the $955 destination charge. That’s a $1,000 increase to the base model, but the Supra 3.0 Premium only increases by $500, up to $54,490. Toyota gave the 3.0 more power this year, re-tuned the suspension and added bracing, so you are getting a bit more for your dollar in 2021.

If you want the Supra 2.0, it’ll be $43,945. That makes the price spread between the base 3.0 and 2.0 exactly $8,000. That’s about what we predicted. We were hoping for a base price closer to the $40,000 mark, but the Supra 2.0 is still a superb sports car for $43,945. If you want the Safety and Technology package available for the 2.0, it’ll be an extra $3,485. It includes a ton of equipment: adaptive cruise control, blind-spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, parking sensors, the JBL audio system, Apple CarPlay and Supra Connected Services. The same package, minus some equipment, costs $3,155 on the base 3.0, while it comes as standard equipment on the 3.0 Premium. If you’ve already chosen the 3.0 Premium, a Driver Assist Package for $1,195 is also available.

The last new model we have pricing on is the A91 Edition Supra. That limited-edition car will cost $56,945 and be the most expensive Supra money can buy — it’s only available with the 3.0-liter turbo inline-six. It’s even more expensive than the Launch Edition Supra from last year, but only by $740.

The 3.0 is expected to be hitting dealerships soon, while the 2.0 won’t hit the market till a little later this year, most likely in fall.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/17/...#slide-2232017

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JP Chestnut · 06-17-2020, 09:01 PM

It’s a cool looking car and I could deal with the AT, but both are about $10k more than I’d be willing to spend.

4S-TURBO · 06-17-2020, 10:12 PM

After I posted that image of the 50th GTR, I saw this Supra. Blue muh mind.

Pre · 06-17-2020, 11:58 PM

I like it a lot but no manual, no sale.

4S-TURBO · 06-18-2020, 12:33 AM

Agreed. A91 is hot. Could look at it all day.

Keshav · 06-18-2020, 02:02 AM

That blue is my fav for a sports car. I would buy another Miata ND RF in that colour in a heartbeat, but I'm not sold on this car.

It seems to me that they might bring out significant improvements yearly to boost sales. A manual is quite possible. This car with a manual would be a reasonable argument over the Corvette with the auto.

The 4-banger at $43k is a terrible idea without a manual. What an expensive poseur.

White out · 06-18-2020, 03:44 AM

Looks good. Love the new head/exhaust manifold

Scooby-Doode · 06-18-2020, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pre

I like it a lot but no manual, no sale.

This ^^^^^ and like the other guy said. 10K too much.

Give me a manual and 10K off, tell me where to sign.

Ultimateone · 06-18-2020, 11:05 AM

I love that people forget the STI is so expensive at this point and think the Supra should be cheaper.

torquemada · 06-18-2020, 11:14 AM

43 grand and 255 hp
now explain how a second gen GT86 will be more powerful than the first gen

Sid03SVT · 06-18-2020, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by torquemada

43 grand and 255 hp
now explain how a second gen GT86 will be more powerful than the first gen

Because the GT86 won't be a rebadged BMW, it will be a rebadged Subaru.

If you can't see the difference between the two brands pricing structures by now, then spend a few minutes on their respective websites and spec out a couple run of the mill models; don't worry we'll still be here when you get back.

Hondaslayer · 06-18-2020, 12:22 PM

Not sure how I feel about the black stripe.

I like the effect it gives, but I don’t like the stripe itself.

4S-TURBO · 06-18-2020, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaslayer

Not sure how I feel about the black stripe.

I like the effect it gives, but I don’t like the stripe itself.

I forgive it because the blue and the other black accents. But same at first sight.

Pre · 06-18-2020, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooby-Doode

This ^^^^^ and like the other guy said. 10K too much.

Give me a manual and 10K off, tell me where to sign.

I think the price is fair at 45-47k with the inline 6 and a manual. The car is hot, the thing has solid power, handling, etc. Just needs a manual and a little bit of a price drop.

YungBoba · 06-18-2020, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Keshav

The 4-banger at $43k is a terrible idea without a manual. What an expensive poseur.

Agreed, $35K would be more palatable IMO, although it doesn't help that the price of the 86 twins has risen so much over the years, so $35K might be to close in terms of pricing. I think they originally came out at what, $23 or $24K? Now they are over $30K in top trim and the base starts around $27K.

People will gladly pay $43K for a 4-banger if it's a luxury car i.e. BMW or MB. Sadly although the Supra is almost all BMW (including the interior!), the badge doesn't have the same pedigree to make it worth $43K to most people because let's be real - when someone buys a 430i for $43K (which btw has less power than the Supra 2.0), they're only doing it for the badge and to show off to their pleb friends

golfer883 · 06-18-2020, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooby-Doode

This ^^^^^ and like the other guy said. 10K too much.

Give me a manual and 10K off, tell me where to sign.

you guys must be americans, lol

godfather2112 · 06-18-2020, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by YungBoba

Agreed, $35K would be more palatable IMO, although it doesn't help that the price of the 86 twins has risen so much over the years, so $35K might be to close in terms of pricing. I think they originally came out at what, $23 or $24K? Now they are over $30K in top trim and the base starts around $27K.

People will gladly pay $43K for a 4-banger if it's a luxury car i.e. BMW or MB. Sadly although the Supra is almost all BMW (including the interior!), the badge doesn't have the same pedigree to make it worth $43K to most people because let's be real - when someone buys a 430i for $43K (which btw has less power than the Supra 2.0), they're only doing it for the badge and to show off to their pleb friends

$35k? You have to be joking me? $45k$-50k loaded is more than fair for this car. If the badging disappoints you, spend the extra $20k on a M2C.

I’m not a fan of the Supra but it certainly warrants a $45k price tag.

White out · 06-18-2020, 01:57 PM

For reference the BMW Z4 2.0 is $49,700 & a 1993 non-turbo Supra was $33,900.

Pricing seems on par for the 2.0. The cheap 4 banger with 3 pedals is the 86.

GALBEROS · 06-18-2020, 02:11 PM

Sucks you can't drive with the windows down. Stupid design flaw. Otherwise a nice car. Love that Refraction A91 edition. Normally I do not dig stripes but I actually don't hate it on this car.

vapore0n · 06-18-2020, 02:33 PM

Love that color.
The Supra might by my replacement car for the STI, now that I dont need to daily it anymore.

Ultimateone · 06-18-2020, 02:39 PM

tfw reading this thread and people don't realize how expensive cars have gotten

YungBoba · 06-18-2020, 02:55 PM

I mean I guess it depends on how you view the 2.0 Supra. I can't imagine that people would buy it for any type of prestige despite being mostly BMW, since there's no luxury badge. I'm talking about "regular people" here. And as an enthusiast I would do whatever I could to get the 3.0 if the price difference is only $7K.

Looking at it as an enthusiast, the Mustang is $35K for the 5.0 and the 370Z is around $30K for 330ish HP and what most would call good handling/a "driver oriented" car, despite being suuuuuuper long in the tooth. These are just the 2-door RWD options too, not even considering other cars worth looking at in this price point i.e. Stinger GT, G70, etc. Are the dynamics/features/tech in the Supra 2.0 worth an extra $10K and losing quite a bit of power? Again, it depends who you ask, but I would imagine it's a hard sell for enthusiasts (based on the alternative options) and for regular folks alike (yes Z4 2.0 and other BMW 2.0s are more expensive, but it has a BMW badge which regular people will gladly pay for over a Toyota badge).

I know it is probably physically impossible for them to price it at $35K given the costs of manufacturing/R&D/etc. which is BMW through and through, I'm just saying that I don't feel the 2.0 is a good value proposition at its price point given the competition and the optics. I feel they should have just kept it exclusively 3.0, OR offer 3 pedals in the 2.0 to really sway over the enthusiast crowd.

On a related note, the HP numbers of the 2.0 Supra has really killed my hope for the new 86/BRZ receiving any substantial bump in power. I would be surprised if we get more than 15-20 more HP than the outgoing model.

D-rock240 · 06-18-2020, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultimateone

tfw reading this thread and people don't realize how expensive cars have gotten

Inflation is a bitch.

I have an aversion to german car maintenance so the Zupra is out for me but I don't think the price is unreasonable (assuming they bring the 3rd pedal).

heavyD · 06-18-2020, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultimateone

tfw reading this thread and people don't realize how expensive cars have gotten

Ha ha ha no kidding. I'm getting a good laugh at the people here saying a BMW coupe on a dedicated RWD platform should be stickering at or below the price of a Civic Type R or STI which are both based on $20k compact platforms. iDrive alone is worth $1000 over the below par infotainment systems in a Civic or Impreza or even any Lexus vehicle. The ZF8 is a premium transmission that you won't find in any other car of this price. The Supra's a good value. Deal with it.

godfather2112 · 06-18-2020, 03:41 PM

Going to correct my post as I speed read and didn’t catch it was the 2.0 model. Yeah, I’d say $35k base and $40k max loaded is where it should be. Maybe I could see a max price of $42k loaded.

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GALBEROS Scooby Newbie Member#: 446096 Join Date: May 2016 Vehicle: 2018 MB- AMG GLC43 Prior-MB GLE/13WRX/06STI	Sucks you can't drive with the windows down. Stupid design flaw. Otherwise a nice car. Love that Refraction A91 edition. Normally I do not dig stripes but I actually don't hate it on this car. Last edited by GALBEROS; 06-18-2020 at 02:18 PM.

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06-17-2020, 09:01 PM	#2
JP Chestnut Scooby Newbie Member#: 504432 Join Date: Jul 2019 Chapter/Region: Tri-State	It’s a cool looking car and I could deal with the AT, but both are about $10k more than I’d be willing to spend.

06-17-2020, 10:12 PM	#3
4S-TURBO Scooby Guru Member#: 67807 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: brick city kid, portland Vehicle: (&) pray it ain't me in the PE logo	After I posted that image of the 50th GTR, I saw this Supra. Blue muh mind.

06-17-2020, 11:58 PM	#4
Pre Scooby Specialist Member#: 139693 Join Date: Feb 2007	I like it a lot but no manual, no sale.

06-18-2020, 12:33 AM	#5
4S-TURBO Scooby Guru Member#: 67807 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: brick city kid, portland Vehicle: (&) pray it ain't me in the PE logo	Agreed. A91 is hot. Could look at it all day.

06-18-2020, 02:02 AM	#6
Keshav Scooby Specialist Member#: 1654 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA, USA Vehicle: 2019 GoCycle GX MV Agusta Brutale S	That blue is my fav for a sports car. I would buy another Miata ND RF in that colour in a heartbeat, but I'm not sold on this car. It seems to me that they might bring out significant improvements yearly to boost sales. A manual is quite possible. This car with a manual would be a reasonable argument over the Corvette with the auto. The 4-banger at $43k is a terrible idea without a manual. What an expensive poseur.

06-18-2020, 03:44 AM	#7
White out Scooby Guru Member#: 46277 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: ** LP640 575M DMC-12	Looks good. Love the new head/exhaust manifold

06-18-2020, 11:05 AM	#9
Ultimateone Scooby Guru Member#: 48025 Join Date: Nov 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: By the Ocean, MA Vehicle: 2020 Supra AZW	I love that people forget the STI is so expensive at this point and think the Supra should be cheaper.

06-18-2020, 11:14 AM	#10
torquemada Scooby Guru Member#: 128484 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: International Location: Germany Vehicle: 2006 EDM WRX STI WRB	43 grand and 255 hp now explain how a second gen GT86 will be more powerful than the first gen

06-18-2020, 12:22 PM	#12
Hondaslayer Scooby Guru Member#: 4562 Join Date: Feb 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Auburn, WA Vehicle: 2014 Electric Datsun 2005 Adventure van	Not sure how I feel about the black stripe. I like the effect it gives, but I don’t like the stripe itself.

06-18-2020, 01:57 PM	#18
White out Scooby Guru Member#: 46277 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: ** LP640 575M DMC-12	For reference the BMW Z4 2.0 is $49,700 & a 1993 non-turbo Supra was $33,900. Pricing seems on par for the 2.0. The cheap 4 banger with 3 pedals is the 86.

06-18-2020, 02:33 PM	#20
vapore0n Scooby Specialist Member#: 21356 Join Date: Jul 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Can't catch me! Vehicle: 2017 Subaru Corolla STI Limited SE-R Type (R)	Love that color. The Supra might by my replacement car for the STI, now that I dont need to daily it anymore.

06-18-2020, 02:39 PM	#21
Ultimateone Scooby Guru Member#: 48025 Join Date: Nov 2003 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: By the Ocean, MA Vehicle: 2020 Supra AZW	tfw reading this thread and people don't realize how expensive cars have gotten

06-18-2020, 02:55 PM	#22
YungBoba Scooby Specialist Member#: 450808 Join Date: Jul 2016 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Irvine Vehicle: 2017 WRX Premium WR Blue Pearl	I mean I guess it depends on how you view the 2.0 Supra. I can't imagine that people would buy it for any type of prestige despite being mostly BMW, since there's no luxury badge. I'm talking about "regular people" here. And as an enthusiast I would do whatever I could to get the 3.0 if the price difference is only $7K. Looking at it as an enthusiast, the Mustang is $35K for the 5.0 and the 370Z is around $30K for 330ish HP and what most would call good handling/a "driver oriented" car, despite being suuuuuuper long in the tooth. These are just the 2-door RWD options too, not even considering other cars worth looking at in this price point i.e. Stinger GT, G70, etc. Are the dynamics/features/tech in the Supra 2.0 worth an extra $10K and losing quite a bit of power? Again, it depends who you ask, but I would imagine it's a hard sell for enthusiasts (based on the alternative options) and for regular folks alike (yes Z4 2.0 and other BMW 2.0s are more expensive, but it has a BMW badge which regular people will gladly pay for over a Toyota badge). I know it is probably physically impossible for them to price it at $35K given the costs of manufacturing/R&D/etc. which is BMW through and through, I'm just saying that I don't feel the 2.0 is a good value proposition at its price point given the competition and the optics. I feel they should have just kept it exclusively 3.0, OR offer 3 pedals in the 2.0 to really sway over the enthusiast crowd. On a related note, the HP numbers of the 2.0 Supra has really killed my hope for the new 86/BRZ receiving any substantial bump in power. I would be surprised if we get more than 15-20 more HP than the outgoing model.

06-18-2020, 03:41 PM	#25
godfather2112 Papi Chulo Moderator Member#: 53794 Join Date: Jan 2004 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Boner kill city Vehicle: ... 2017 BMW M2 2017 F-150	Going to correct my post as I speed read and didn’t catch it was the 2.0 model. Yeah, I’d say $35k base and $40k max loaded is where it should be. Maybe I could see a max price of $42k loaded.