E85 and fbo tuning results

[azul89]

Hey team I had clark turner tuning make a e85 map for my 22.

Mods:
Gesi jpipe
Remark midpipe
MBRP Muffler deletes
ETS intake
Perrin Top mount
ETS charge pipe

Car made 419whp/429wtq on the same mods with the 93 map it makes 372/389. Pretty stoked on the results. Car pulls like a beast. I wanted to attach a image of the dyno chart, but I am not sure how to do it on here.

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[19std]

Sick numbers on pump with effectively just an intake and exhaust man. Very nice.

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[uglywrx]

damn i really picked the wrong car to keep stock. Hows the stock clutch going? I'm putting similar hp to the ground in my brz and my ACT clutch is starting to slip a bit at high rpm

[Straight6]

Impressive. This new FA24 has a lot of headroom. Hard to keep it stock with so much aftermarket support and insane power gains!

[Apb_pools]

Send me your log so i can plot it against mine. PM me and i will send you mine.

ETS charge pipe and intake only mods, on e50. Stg2 turbo going on next for 550-600whp.

https://datazap.me/u/stija/e22-wrx-s...g=0&data=11-31
Post your log or retelling lies for Clark.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by 19std

Sick numbers on pump with effectively just an intake and exhaust man. Very nice.

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Not true bro i guarantee you. I have caught Clark lying and many others. He wants us to believe that 93oct tune gets you 140-150whp.

[uglywrx]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Send me your log so i can plot it against mine. PM me and i will send you mine.

ETS charge pipe and intake only mods, on e50. Stg2 turbo going on next for 550-600whp.

https://datazap.me/u/stija/e22-wrx-s...g=0&data=11-31
Post your log or retelling lies for Clark.

Wheres the before dyno? Without a baseline a dynograph doesn't mean much

[Apb_pools]

91oct e50 e85

Baseline you know its 240whpish. Plot my log from datazap on your vd against your log using same parameter. Otherwise it is all meaningless.

[Apb_pools]

Dbl post

Its why i asked for his log to plot against mine/another.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwDPfuRL...RlODBiNWFlZA==

330whp on 93oct from Clark IG.

@uglywrx.. use my log and use weight 3600 and 25.72 for tire diameter (clark parameters) and tell me what my car gained from 400whp, wink wink

[uglywrx]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Dbl post

Its why i asked for his log to plot against mine/another.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwDPfuRL...RlODBiNWFlZA==

330whp on 93oct from Clark IG.

@uglywrx.. use my log and use weight 3600 and 25.72 for tire diameter (clark parameters) and tell me what my car gained from 400whp, wink wink

I normally just look at % gains since dyno numbers are easily played with and not a universal thing. Ethanol doing work, too bad the engine isn't 12.5:1

[Apb_pools]

@ugly.. agreed but that shows me deltas in relation to MY car only.

I want to see where one tuna compares to another tuna to another tuna and so on. I already have logs from 3 prominent tuners, Clark isnt one of them but i can already see from his VD parameters it will come on lower end.

Also 2/3 cars didnt tolerate full e85, and neither did mine. Loses fuel pressure under wot. E50-60 works like magic.

[Apb_pools]

This is 3 tuners, one had pressure loss. All were e85 tunes. Red and blue are aftermarket jpipe, green is oem jpipe.

[19std]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Not true bro i guarantee you. I have caught Clark lying and many others. He wants us to believe that 93oct tune gets you 140-150whp.

Yeah if there are no graphs its pretty suspect.

But i think the fa24 should do good numbers regardless of who is shilling for who with just an intake and exhaust.

[azul89]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

@ugly.. agreed but that shows me deltas in relation to MY car only.

I want to see where one tuna compares to another tuna to another tuna and so on. I already have logs from 3 prominent tuners, Clark isnt one of them but i can already see from his VD parameters it will come on lower end.

Also 2/3 cars didnt tolerate full e85, and neither did mine. Loses fuel pressure under wot. E50-60 works like magic.

My car started losing fuel pressure on my 2nd tank of full e85. I am dropping clarks maps...i am sick of seeing knock at low rpm due to him not doing a single revision on my cruise or idle tunes.

My local tuner uses a mustang dyno. I made 331whp and 365wtq on 93. Didn't lower knock sensor sensitivity and it never knocked.
Clarks tune can knock up to 4.42 just cruising down the interstate...Always right below 3K rpm. I know VD is trash and super easily manipulated. but his E85 tune definitely felt like 90 more WHP than my 93 local tune. His e85 tune only lasted 2 tanks before my pump started acting up so I switched to clarks 93 map. Same issue still knocks and was rated at 372/389 and yes it does feel like 40 more hp than my tuners map. But again...with the knock.

Next move is AEM Methanol injection, with a 93 and e50 map, sticking with my local tuner. Yes he is a very conservative tuner, but i'd rather deal with that. VS be told my car can run e85 no isssues at all. which simply wasn't the case.

[azul89]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cvfpbt0R...RlODBiNWFlZA==

[Apb_pools]

Clarks e85 map against another tunas map. Looks excellent imo.



Mods:

RED: ETS intake and charge pipe
BLUE: Gesi jpipe
Remark midpipe
MBRP Muffler deletes
ETS intake
Perrin Top mount
ETS charge pipe

[Apb_pools]

Keeps double posting. azul89 you will notice slight difference its because i noticed that both logs had elevated intake temps so i adjusted those accordingly. One i sent you had lower power log at 90F while it was actually 115 intake temps, only slight difference. I am not a tuner so i cannot comment on which tune is safer or better, just reporting data of the power runs from both tuners so you can see apples-apples comparison.

So i must eat my words, or retract what i said above because it seems like he is making that much power on whatever was in his tank at the time, this is 93oct tune.

[uglywrx]

So what is the limiting factor here? Turbo? I would have expected more boost with e85 but they are the same on bottom dyno and finish the same on the one above.

375 awhp is super impressive out of 93 too

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by uglywrx

So what is the limiting factor here? Turbo? I would have expected more boost with e85 but they are the same on bottom dyno and finish the same on the one above.

375 awhp is super impressive out of 93 too

What do you mean? There is about 50whp difference and 30wtq. I do not wanna say again but i find it hard to believe it is 93oct. Though i believe i have seen a JR tune recently produce close to it on 93oct so

The limiting factor to the power is the turbo, it maxes out at about 430whp and 490wtq all out. (from what i have seen so far, obviously)

There is enough oem fueling for 490whp, check out Drunkmann's instagram post i believe where he uses e38 to get to 490whp on stg1 turbine.

[azul89]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

What do you mean? There is about 50whp difference and 30wtq. I do not wanna say again but i find it hard to believe it is 93oct. Though i believe i have seen a JR tune recently produce close to it on 93oct so

The limiting factor to the power is the turbo, it maxes out at about 430whp and 490wtq all out. (from what i have seen so far, obviously)

There is enough oem fueling for 490whp, check out Drunkmann's instagram post i believe where he uses e38 to get to 490whp on stg1 turbine.

Good to know. I am still adding the meth kit before I send my turbo off to blouch. I think mid 400 will be great for me.

Btw, I have been in talks with cobb they do plan on opening upflex fuel to the VB eventually.

[Chuck H]

Probably not the right thread to ask, and sorry if I'm highjacking it, but can any of you folks who have the ETS J-pipe and a tune making decent power go more than a few weeks without tripping cat efficiency OBDII codes?

I have a 2022 with pretty much the entire list of ETS upgrades (intake, J-pipe, intercooler, exhaust) and a Cobb AP ProTune, and my car started throwing codes pretty much from the day I brought it home from the install/tune. I was able to extend the interval by adding a mini-cat O2 sensor extender, but it still hasn't completely eliminated the issue. The car is making ~380 wtq and ~360 whp, for reference. My tuner can't really help, since Cobb removed access to all of the old-school work-arounds.

If I can't figure out a permanent solution that will get me past annual emissions testing, I may need to revert back to the factory cat and figure out how to modify an aftermarket J-pipe to connect to it. Just not sure how much power that is going to cost me. It seems like since pretty much every aftermarket J-pipe uses the same GESI cat in it, there must be some way that it passes the internal checks, but not sure what the secret sauce is.

[Apb_pools]

Sell jpipe and go oem. As you can see from our graphs it’s irrelevant to power pretty much, just a headache.

You should not be tripping any codes, btw. Yet you are so see above.

[uglywrx]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

What do you mean? There is about 50whp difference and 30wtq. I do not wanna say again but i find it hard to believe it is 93oct. Though i believe i have seen a JR tune recently produce close to it on 93oct so

The limiting factor to the power is the turbo, it maxes out at about 430whp and 490wtq all out. (from what i have seen so far, obviously)

There is enough oem fueling for 490whp, check out Drunkmann's instagram post i believe where he uses e38 to get to 490whp on stg1 turbine.

You literally posted a dyno graph showing them running the exact same boost. I am assuming that is the case because the turbo is maxed and not because of something like out of injector or getting too near knock. Like the whole point of e85 is that you can cram in more fuel and air because it is more knock resistant and then both maps run the same boost. It clearly isn't a mechanical strength issue because e85 makes more torque probably due to spark timing.


So since it is out of turbo in theory that would mean a bigger turbo could make even more on 93. Pretty nutty

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by uglywrx

You literally posted a dyno graph showing them running the exact same boost. I am assuming that is the case because the turbo is maxed and not because of something like out of injector or getting too near knock. Like the whole point of e85 is that you can cram in more fuel and air because it is more knock resistant and then both maps run the same boost. It clearly isn't a mechanical strength issue because e85 makes more torque probably due to spark timing.


So since it is out of turbo in theory that would mean a bigger turbo could make even more on 93. Pretty nutty

Dude.. one tuner is asking for 20+ one is asking for 18+. Different strategies. Turbo maxes out at 23-24. Limiting factor on 93oct is probably octane/knock threshold and not turbo.

[uglywrx]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Dude.. one tuner is asking for 20+ one is asking for 18+. Different strategies. Turbo maxes out at 23-24. Limiting factor on 93oct is probably octane/knock threshold and not turbo.

We must be reading 2 different dynos then because this is what i see