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View Poll Results: Stealing the STI in it's debut? | |||
No chance in hell! | 15 | 31.25% | |
Slight chance. | 13 | 27.08% | |
For sure! | 20 | 41.67% | |
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04-22-2003, 02:18 PM | #26 |
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1st off I am getting my STI for 500 off MSRP. I have that in writting. And I am First on the list.
Secondly, I don't think the STI will be considered a "collectors" car right away. I don't think any car can be considered so, until it has proven its' self to the owners and press. And let's face it, why would a car you can go buy new off a lot be a collectors car. Don't get me wrong, The STI will be in the top 5 performance cars availible in the US. (Taking price into consideration) Maybe after a few years when the car has built a solid reputation, then it may very well be a collectors car. A quick look at the term Collectors car..... What does it mean? If you own more than one car, You could call yourself a car collector. And what ever cars you have would be your "collector cars"
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04-22-2003, 02:50 PM | #27 | |
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scenario B) or did the dealer guarantee you in writing that you will get the car on your terms when/if it becomes available, based on your terms? you have an oppertunity to shut this thread down if you can provide credible evidence, like i described. |
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04-22-2003, 02:57 PM | #28 | |
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Ain't that the truth! Here are some notable examples of that historical lineage; * Sodium filled exhaust valves > A racing innovation first applied by Porsche to a production vehicle with the '89 '964' C4 > '04 STi * DCCD > A Porsche innovation applied to the Paris-Dakar '84 911 "AllRoad" > later to become the Porsche '959' > '04 STi * Variable ratio hi-torque VCD > '81 Audi 'Coupe GT' AWD > '04 STi * HID's > BMW innovation first used in production on the '91 750iL 'Limousine' > '04 STi * ABS > An innovation used on aircraft in the '50's and first introduced to production vehicles by Mercedes-Benz on the 'S Class' in '85 > '04 STi * Variable Valve Timing > Honda/Acura '91 'NSX' with "VTEC" > '04 STi * Big A$$ and functional rear wing/stabilizer > '69 & '70 Dodge 'Charger Daytona' and '70 Plymouth 'Superbird' > '04 STi The 'trickle down effect' takes time though it works to the advantage of everyone. Individually the above vehicles were all expensive innovators for their time and are today 'collectors items'. The '04 STi has all of the above technical innovations and more which are the result of extensive R&D which then trickle down to we regular consumers. Long live tehcnical innovation... Long live Subaru. - Janq |
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04-22-2003, 05:36 PM | #29 |
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Jang--- Sodium filled valves I think have been around for a long time-I'm pretty sure the original motor in my 1969 Porsche 911S had them!
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04-22-2003, 06:49 PM | #30 |
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Not as my memory recalls...but after dinner I'll check some of my sources (old parts & service manuals) and double check.
But even so, if you are correct and I'm wrong...its still a relative rarety reserved for 'he-perf' vehicles...no trickling down to the common man. - Janq |
04-22-2003, 08:04 PM | #31 |
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this link says 89 also. http://autozine.kyul.net/911/911_81.htm
I'm a porsche fan, so I was just curious. I'm just bringing more info, it could be wrong also. |
04-22-2003, 10:25 PM | #32 |
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No time/energy to check as my wife said she moved all my "junk" to boxes which are under more "stuff" in the attic, or basement...she's not sure which.
Thats waht I get for spending my weekends away from home. ; ) Anyway, its not worth digging through my 'stuff' to prove an arcane factoid. But I'm pretty sure it was '89 that Porsche first introduced sodium filled valves to the general public as a standard production item. And i'm equally sure it was on the 964. I would be shocked if such a technology was available commercially in '69. But it doesn't matter as again my point remains the same. The STi and we enthusiasts directly benefit from the bleeding edge technologies first introduced on relative supercars of years past. One can only marvel at the thought of supercars and STi's of the unknown future. BTW, the US EVO has sodium filled valves too which is still a relative rareity to see in production vehicles. - Janq |
04-22-2003, 11:08 PM | #33 | |
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04-23-2003, 04:07 AM | #34 |
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22B = Collector car
STI = Low volume car BIG difference folks. P.S. Speedshift = In denial. Go buy a liquidated 03 WRX for $3000 under invoice (yes, invoice, not MSRP) |
04-23-2003, 06:50 AM | #35 | |
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Ah, here, on the same site: http://autozine.kyul.net/911/911_8.htm it is stated that the original 1964 901/01 has "Hollow, soldium-filled exhaust valve for better cooling." Not many companies used this, it seems, but Porsche seemed to use them on a lot of their cars, not just the performance models (though to many, all of the 911s are performance models). I also see a press release for the 2002 Z06 that talks about the sodium filled exhaust valve stems. It's getting around I guess. |
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04-23-2003, 08:22 AM | #36 |
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that's what I get for not reading thoroughly I didn't realize the debate was intake or exhaust, I just figured sodium filled valves were sodium filled valves
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04-23-2003, 09:22 AM | #37 | |
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04-24-2003, 04:18 AM | #38 | |
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04-24-2003, 08:55 AM | #39 |
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So you really have no idea if that's true, but posted it anyway.
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04-24-2003, 12:34 PM | #40 | |
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Kosta, I saw that post and it was here at NASIOC in General Community > WRX or 2004 2.5 TS . The location cited in the post is the following; Livermore Subaru in Livermore, CA (Bay Area). Contact Frank Douglas. They only have a couple of wagons in stock, but they have a ton of sedans availble. [email protected] Direct Line 925 245-6220 - Janq Last edited by Janq; 04-24-2003 at 01:12 PM. |
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04-24-2003, 12:44 PM | #41 | |
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this is an unbelievable deal. |
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04-24-2003, 12:47 PM | #42 |
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they have 3 manual wagons, 2 red and 1 white, and 22 manual sedans, silver black blue and white.
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04-29-2003, 11:52 AM | #43 |
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Van Bortel announces their STi price: $29,600
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04-29-2003, 12:46 PM | #44 |
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sodium and valves
as I suspected
Nihil novi sub sole Most combustion engine innovations (except the ECU) were introduced during WW2. This is what I found using google and sodium valve search: Operating temperatures of a sodium-cooled exhaust valve as measured by a thermocouple Sanders, J C Wilsted, H D Mulcahy, B A NACA Report 754 1943 http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1943/naca-report-754/ Krzys |
04-29-2003, 12:50 PM | #45 | |
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Did they report any allocation numbers for the months/year? - Janq |
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04-29-2003, 01:06 PM | #46 | |
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I previously calculated (as an estimate of their price): 28,580 + 550 + 400 = 29,530. their destination might be slightly higher, if they're not SOA, or the invoice might be slightly different than 28,580. Either way, they're keeping their promise. Now hopefully all of you guys in front of me want a different color than I do |
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04-29-2003, 02:39 PM | #47 | |
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04-29-2003, 02:44 PM | #48 |
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they might be subaru of new england then, they have higher invoice prices, right?
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04-29-2003, 03:11 PM | #49 | |
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04-29-2003, 03:14 PM | #50 | |
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