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Old 05-06-2003, 11:08 PM   #1
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This thread is about transplanting Subaru engines into non-Subaru cars.

I was browsing the CARB website when I was stunned to find that a company, Kennedy Engineered Products, has received CARB Executive Order #D-428-1 for a product called "The VW Vanagon Engine Change Kit" which involved a Subaru engine.
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The VW Vanagon Engine Change Kit is designed to provide all the necessary parts to replace the stock 1980-91 VW Vanagon engine with a 1990-95 2.2 liter Subaru engine. The kit includes the following parts: Adaptor plates and hardware to mount the Subaru engine to the VW transmission and motor mounts, necessary intake air ducting and closed element air filter box, electrical schematic on adapting the Subaru's sensors and ECU to the Vanagon body, and an exhaust system which includes a set of manifolds, one muffler, and one TRI-D Industries, Inc. TD-5000 catalytic converter. On Vanagons that are not equipped with a check engine light on the dash, a light must be installed and wired to the Subaru ECU. The following trouble codes may be logged by the Subaru ECU: #33, speed sensor, #51, neutral switch, and # 52, emergency brake. The Vanagon hardware does not support these electrical functions. Kennedy Engineered Products' VW Vanagon Engine Change Kit is only applicable on a complete Subaru 2.2L engine. These engines must be installed according to the Air Resources Board's "Engine Change Policy" which requires the engine to be of the same model-year as the vehicle it is being installed in or newer. A complete engine includes the following: A stock 1990-95 Subaru 2.2L long block equipped with the stock air intake components, closed element air filter box (either original or aftermarket), ECU, associated wiring, and all engine sensors. The new engine must interface with the stock Vanagon's evaporative emissions control system. Diesel Vanagon conversions must upgrade their evaporative emissions control system to that of a gasoline Vanagon.
Whew! Anyhow, it occured to me that this company might have some expertise in mating Subaru engines to non-Subaru transmissions, especially if anyone is wanting to use a Subaru EJ engine in a rear-engine configuration (VW, Porsche, etc.). Alternatively, they might be able to offer advice about dropping a Porsche engine into a Subaru (probably - Don't Do It).
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Old 05-07-2003, 01:21 AM   #2
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Yes, they do a lot of cool things with vanagons
Here is the link to more info:
http://smallcar.com/

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Old 05-07-2003, 11:02 AM   #3
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Yes, they do a lot of cool things with vanagons
Here is the link to more info:
http://smallcar.com/

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Our latest project (Her's, first phase completed):
http://www.smallcar.com/vanagon/vanagonwrx.jpg
2002 WRX motor in a 1991 Carat automatic. Now has a custom header and single 2 1/4" cat/muffler, Audi turbo transmission internals, 16X7" wheels.
Soon to have larger vented front discs and 10.4" vented rear discs.

Next project (His): 1989 Syncro Westfalia, 2002 WRX with A/W intercooler, four wheel discs, custom springs, wheels etc.
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Old 05-07-2003, 03:10 PM   #4
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Chris,

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Old 05-08-2003, 02:28 AM   #5
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Old 05-08-2003, 03:16 AM   #6
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Smallcar: Its always cool to see someone like you performing these types of modification, but I have a question.

You obviously like the subaru engine design, why not the rest of the vehicle?! I can understand the vanagon swaps but why these other vehicles.

Are you interested in doing something that hasnt been done or? The 1993 impreza with WRX engine is very nice.
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Old 05-11-2003, 04:49 PM   #7
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I have always wanted to go the other way. Put a 1800cc VW bug motor into a '84 subaru GL wagon
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Old 05-12-2003, 08:11 PM   #8
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Ok. That is just wrong. But I like it It's kind of sick like the Dodge Caravan out here that runs low 14's with an uncorked 2.4L Datona turbo motor.

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Old 05-19-2003, 02:19 PM   #9
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Hey Jon,

I know that you are thinking about a stronger tranny for the WRX but I'd like to turn that around.

How about the B3 and B4 VWs with all the bum trannys. I wonder what the process looks like to put a WRX AWD drivetrain into a 97 VR6 Passat. We could call it the VWRX. Got outbid this morning on an 02 roll-over. What do you think a fair price for a 02 WRX parts car is? This one went for $3K without a single good body panel and blown airbags through-out with 50K miles on it. I guess the easiest way would be to drop the complete engine, drivetrain & harness mated to a 4Motion rear.

Anyone have some thoughts on converting a B4 VW to a VWRX?

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Old 05-19-2003, 02:33 PM   #10
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A typical wreck will go for about $5k, depending upon how many good panels are left. I have heard prices as low as $2k, but most people I talked to have said that you would be lucky to find one for $5k.

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Old 06-07-2003, 01:58 AM   #11
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I think my dream conversions would be:

1. WRX 6 cylinder with a turbo into a reconditioned Porsche. I know a guy that put a DSM 4G63 into one - looks awsome.

2. WRX engine/drivetrain into a Miata mega fun factor!
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Old 06-09-2003, 03:26 PM   #12
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I'll take a Lotus Elise with an ITR engine in it thank you very much.

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Old 06-09-2003, 04:07 PM   #13
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how about a lotus elise with an ITR engine with a jackson racing supercharger on it..
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Old 06-09-2003, 05:09 PM   #14
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Well that was implied, of course.

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Old 06-10-2003, 05:34 PM   #15
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If all you are looking for is a better tranny setup:

Find a link to Manhattan Eurosport rally shop. call and talk to them. They have a WRX they run on Audi gear. never breaks gears or trannys. They are an old Audi shop from way back.

Having been an Audi guy myself it looks like a strong match.

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Old 03-31-2007, 08:49 PM   #16
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Anyone know where those pics of the Porsche 550 with an STi motor is. Car was black and in Australia/NZ?
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:27 AM   #17
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Kennedy has been making adapter plates for VW and porsche transmissions for YEARS...like nearly 40. there's a couple of SVX vanagon synchros out there with some pretty funny stories.

I've used their product in my EJ powered 912. it pulls hard all the way to redline in all the gears.

Vintage spyders did a turbo subaru powered 550. the owner said that is was still pulling hard at an indicated 130 mph, and that's when he chickened out.
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