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Old 02-19-2006, 04:43 PM   #1
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the GT spec fender braces


what the rest usually look like

now the GT fender brace is bigger and has more mounting points but they have the mounts laterally and vertically which I wouldn't think would do anything and the one thats angled is the one that matters?

Does anyone have any input before I buy?
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The gtspec looks nice. I would assume triangulation and 4 points would be better than just 2 points.
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Old 02-19-2006, 05:46 PM   #3
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There was a HUGE-HUGE thread on all of this, here, recently.

Whatever ones ya get....just DO 'EM .....the GT-Spec ones require removal of the door and fender.....the others can be installed without any body part removal at all.
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Old 02-19-2006, 07:36 PM   #4
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bought the GT-Spec version because it looked beefier and triangulated. I believe you can install them removing just the fenders. Haven't installed them, so I'm not sure. One of the reasons I bought the braces was Uncle Scotty's raving about them (the braces). The only reason I haven't installed them is I'll probably paint them. Paint them? Why? You won't even see them. I'm kinda anal. All my Cusco pieces are red. They didn't come that way.

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Old 02-19-2006, 07:45 PM   #5
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There was a HUGE-HUGE thread on all of this, here, recently.

Whatever ones ya get....just DO 'EM .....the GT-Spec ones require removal of the door and fender.....the others can be installed without any body part removal at all.
Actually, it might well be possible to install the GT spec without taking off the fender or door. You would take off the fender liner, take off the stock brace, take off both top door hinge bolts. Put the gtspec brace on the top bolt of the top door hinge only. Now take off the two bolts for the lower hinge. Your door is only held on now by the single top hinge bolt. Swing the gtspec brace down to put back on the lower door hinge. Put back in the lower bolt on the top hinge. Now, put in the front cowl bolts then the rear cowl bolts (if you have them).

There appears to plenty of room to manuver with just the fender liner off and perform the above steps.

This is all just theoretical, but I spent a fair time cogitating on it since my 2004 Forester XT doesn't have the stock cowl brace and is lacking the two rearward bolt holes. I found this out after trying to do the TIC braces.

If I had the choice I'd do the TIC braces. $90 is just so cheap. I just don't have that option.

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Old 02-19-2006, 07:59 PM   #6
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Actually, it might well be possible to install the GT spec without taking off the fender or door. You would take off the fender liner, take off the stock brace, take off both top door hinge bolts. Put the gtspec brace on the top bolt of the top door hinge only. Now take off the two bolts for the lower hinge. Your door is only held on now by the single top hinge bolt. Swing the gtspec brace down to put back on the lower door hinge. Put back in the lower bolt on the top hinge. Now, put in the front cowl bolts then the rear cowl bolts (if you have them).

There appears to plenty of room to manuver with just the fender liner off and perform the above steps.

This is all just theoretical, but I spent a fair time cogitating on it since my 2004 Forester XT doesn't have the stock cowl brace and is lacking the two rearward bolt holes. I found this out after trying to do the TIC braces.

If I had the choice I'd do the TIC braces. $90 is just so cheap. I just don't have that option.

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....sorry....but that just 'aint happenin.....ya never gonna get the aft end bolted up without unbolting the door and ya never gonna get the brace in place to bolt it up without, at LEAST taking the door off.....the fender may stay, but the door gotta go fo sho.


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Old 02-19-2006, 08:08 PM   #7
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Old 02-19-2006, 09:21 PM   #8
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Don't forget - you're triangulating two frame members. You're not triangulating a brace just for the sake of, well, triangulating a brace.
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Old 02-19-2006, 09:43 PM   #9
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Any "triangulation" offered by that GT Spec piece is completely wasted by the fact the 3rd "leg" of the triangle has that big kink in it.

Not sure what they're each made of material-wise, but I'd bet that if the two (GT Spec and Turn in Concepts) were made with the same materials there would be a negligible difference in strength of the two designs.

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thorough reviews of the gtspec fender brace would be welcome
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Old 02-19-2006, 10:06 PM   #11
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Any "triangulation" offered by that GT Spec piece is completely wasted by the fact the 3rd "leg" of the triangle has that big kink in it.

Not sure what they're each made of material-wise, but I'd bet that if the two (GT Spec and Turn in Concepts) were made with the same materials there would be a negligible difference in strength of the two designs.

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Old 02-19-2006, 11:11 PM   #12
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Any "triangulation" offered by that GT Spec piece is completely wasted by the fact the 3rd "leg" of the triangle has that big kink in it.

Not sure what they're each made of material-wise, but I'd bet that if the two (GT Spec and Turn in Concepts) were made with the same materials there would be a negligible difference in strength of the two designs.

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this is was the feedback I was looking for. because of the kink is why I'm thinking of not buying it.... I'm not sure if the GT spec one would make much of a difference over the others
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Old 02-20-2006, 01:50 AM   #13
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You could also look at the Nagisa ones.
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Old 02-20-2006, 01:58 AM   #15
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I picked up the GT spec one in summer, a friend of mine has the jsc speed one (similar in design, maby not materials to the TiC one).

the cars are similarly perpared , sway and strut bars, except im on zeal V6's and he's on pinks. Honestly i did not feel much difference between the two different designs, the majority of the difference seemed to be from the difference in struts and springs. the brace had a more profound over all effect on my car than on his, but i attribute this to the zeals casuing more deformation and flex of the front chassi. the feel is similar to a strut bar, smoother lighter, more solid feel. you can feel the front struts working more efficiently.

i made my decision to get the gtspec becasue at the time i could not find a vendor that had them in stock (style like jsc speec) and TiC did not release there product yet. also i got a deal with gtspec as i also bought their lateral link braces (definatly an over looked mod for someone with lateral/trailing links, rear suspension works to absorbs bumps or irregularities soo much better)

cliff notes: compared them to a friends and did not notice much difference between the two designs, the real difference was in the strut and spring that each car had. DEFINATLY a worth while mod tho

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Old 02-21-2006, 03:48 AM   #16
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I picked up the GT spec one in summer, a friend of mine has the jsc speed one (similar in design, maby not materials to the TiC one).
Did you install the GT spec brace yourself? Did you have to remove the fender/door/both/neither?

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Old 02-21-2006, 05:47 AM   #17
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took off my fender(as seen in pic) huge difference. I say get them
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^what kind or those?
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^what kind or those?
I believe those are the Nagisa ones for the GC body.
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Design wise it looks better than the GT spec one since there is no bend but there isn't as much material also? IIRC its also more expensive... but are the more mounting points worth the cost over the others?
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Design wise it looks better than the GT spec one since there is no bend but there isn't as much material also? IIRC its also more expensive... but are the more mounting points worth the cost over the others?
can you show a pic of the IIRC one?
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IIRC=if I remember correctly who makes that is Nagisa and theres some venders that can get it
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i did install them with the help of a friend, we took off the fenders and it was definatly something im gland only needs to be changed once, but ones like the nagisa and TiC might work without fender removal. would make it waayyy easier
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Any "triangulation" offered by that GT Spec piece is completely wasted by the fact the 3rd "leg" of the triangle has that big kink in it.

Not sure what they're each made of material-wise, but I'd bet that if the two (GT Spec and Turn in Concepts) were made with the same materials there would be a negligible difference in strength of the two designs.

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usually agree with you, but have to wonder why you feel the GT Spec brace with more mounting points and triangulation is a waste because of the third "leg". Despite the brace not being a true triangle, as long as the third leg isn't flexing, it still delivers triangulation. The arch has long been used for bridges/structures due to it's inherent strength. All things being equal, I can't see how the Turn in Concepts with 4 bolts and a single "beam" would be equal to the GT Spec with 8 bolts and triangulation. I don't know what the GT Spec brace is made of, but it feels too light to be anything but aluminum. I'm not defending the GT Spec because I purchased one, I just fail to see the logic that a triangle (even with an arch as one of it's legs) would be weaker than a beam. All you rocket scientists feel free to chime in.

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^^my logic tells me the same so if and when I get one I will probably go that direction. I most likely will try to buy a used one.....
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