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Old 07-23-2003, 08:36 AM   #1
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Is there a Roll Bar available for the 2001 2.5RS?
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Old 07-23-2003, 11:40 AM   #2
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specifics?

what kind of a roll bar?

do you mean harness bar?

what's it for?

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Old 07-23-2003, 11:49 AM   #3
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Hmm, maybe I can answer this one...

Yes, there is.
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Old 07-23-2003, 01:25 PM   #4
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I am searching for a BOLT IN Roll Bar for High Performance Driving Events. I see that autopower has applications for the WRX, but haven't seen anything for the 2001 RS. I realize that I could go to a Race Shop to have one built/welded in, but there aren't any race shops nearby. What are my options?
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Old 07-23-2003, 01:38 PM   #5
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I am searching for a BOLT IN Roll Bar for High Performance Driving Events. I see that autopower has applications for the WRX, but haven't seen anything for the 2001 RS. I realize that I could go to a Race Shop to have one built/welded in, but there aren't any race shops nearby. What are my options?
even a "bolt in" roll cage is really a weld in.
you dont just bolt it into the car and walk away
but the bars are pre bent/molded for your car

there are lots of options.. but if it's a roll cage you want..
that's pretty much a permanent fixture...

i know STi makes a pretty lil pink one

Sparco does as well i'm sure..

but again, these are not "bolt in" in the sense that you're considering...

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Old 07-24-2003, 09:18 AM   #6
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even a "bolt in" roll cage is really a weld in.
What? Both Kirk and Autopower both manufacture a ton of pure bolt-in cages. You put them in the car, drill a few holes, bolt them down, and you're done.

No welding required. Sure, maybe not legal for rally, but definately legal for SCCA Solo I, II, and club racing.

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Old 07-24-2003, 09:24 AM   #7
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What's a "High Performance Driving Event?" Have anything in particular in mind?
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Old 07-24-2003, 09:29 AM   #8
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http://www.nasaracing.net/trackday/index.shtml

I attend these. As my speed has been increasing, I see a need for better safety devices, and a roll bar has been recommended. I am searching for the most reasonable option. A bolt in Roll Bar would be great, if I can locate one.
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What's a "High Performance Driving Event?" Have anything in particular in mind?
The general use of the term "High Performance Driving Event" or "HPDE" for short when referring to motorsports is a track day at a road course like Lime Rock, Watkins Glen, NHIS, VIR, etc... whether it be untimed laps (Instructional) or Timed Laps around a road course (Solo-I).. (Not hill climb or rally).

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Old 07-24-2003, 09:45 PM   #10
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There are no products from either Kirk or Autopower for the US GC8. Autopower has a WRX product, but you'd by "experimenting" by putting it into a GC8.

A rollbar isn't necessarily any more safe than your factory supplied restraint system.

Unless required by the sanctioning body for the event, IMO it's a waste of time and money, whether it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling or not.

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Old 07-24-2003, 11:36 PM   #11
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a rollbar isn't necessarily any more safe than your factory supplied restraint system.
*shakes head*
what in the world are you talking about?
a rollbar has almost nothing to do with the restraint system.

This is what a rollbar is for


absolutely nothing to do with restraints. The restraint system and rollover protection, while are used together, are completely different and independent. A rollbar supports the frame of the vehicle around your head in a roll. Hence the "roll" part of rollbar. (go figure)

and yeah, walking away from a wreck alive gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

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Old 07-25-2003, 12:36 AM   #12
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Hence the "roll" part of rollbar. (go figure)
Thanks for that clarification. Now that we're on the same page...

You mean you really don't think the poster intends/intended to attach a harness to that rollbar? I'm just thinking ahead a little bit, not making a narrow interpretation of the question.

That said, I'm saying if you intend to increase the safety of your car, do it using a sanctioned body of rules for the restraint system as a whole. A rollbar AFAIK is not a legal part of the restraint system in any hardtop production-based car in any sanctioned ruleset that I'm aware of. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I'm just not aware of any...

Oh and did this flattened car crash on a racetrack, or on the autobahn doing, say 140+ MPH?

Believe it or not, a racetrack is generally a lot safer place to crash than the open road...

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Old 07-25-2003, 08:21 AM   #13
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You mean you really don't think the poster intends/intended to attach a harness to that rollbar? I'm just thinking ahead a little bit, not making a narrow interpretation of the question.
Well it just so happens that the poster is a friend of mine and I have instructed him several times in the past, so yes I do know what he intends. But it makes no difference regardless. The subject is rollbars for the RS. And even if it was about harnesses, your statement that harnesses are no safer than factory restraints is absolutely outrageous.

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That said, I'm saying if you intend to increase the safety of your car, do it using a sanctioned body of rules for the restraint system as a whole. A rollbar AFAIK is not a legal part of the restraint system in any hardtop production-based car in any sanctioned ruleset that I'm aware of. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I'm just not aware of any...
what exactly are you smoking? seriously. Rollbars illegal? Rollbars are no-way, no-how, illegal for any kind of track days. In fact every group I have run with has strongly encouraged the use of roll over protection.

seriously man, "rollbars waste of time and money", "rollbars illegal" , "harnesses no safer than factory 3pt."
where do you come up with these? You really need to stop.

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Oh and did this flattened car crash on a racetrack, or on the autobahn doing, say 140+ MPH?
Both the M3 and the ITR were rolled on a racetrack, the M3 at a local track to me. If you look closely, you can see that the car has victoracers

Rob,
Sorry that your thread got polluted with this crap. I contacted the fabricator that I know in S.MD and am waiting to hear back from him. Hopefully that will work out

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Thanks for that clarification. Now that we're on the same page...

You mean you really don't think the poster intends/intended to attach a harness to that rollbar? I'm just thinking ahead a little bit, not making a narrow interpretation of the question.

That said, I'm saying if you intend to increase the safety of your car, do it using a sanctioned body of rules for the restraint system as a whole. A rollbar AFAIK is not a legal part of the restraint system in any hardtop production-based car in any sanctioned ruleset that I'm aware of. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I'm just not aware of any...

Oh and did this flattened car crash on a racetrack, or on the autobahn doing, say 140+ MPH?

Believe it or not, a racetrack is generally a lot safer place to crash than the open road...

- Steve
Steve.. pick up your SCCA rulebook and look at the safety guidelines for Solo-I. Perfectly acceptible to have a bolt-in roll bar to meet the MINIMUM requirements if you cannot compete in the Stock class due to the mods on your car.

IMHO, don't 'settle' for safety. Do it right. Things are going to have to get cut to even fit a 6pt bolt-in. What's a coupe thousand more worth to you for a full cage when you roll your baby on the track and your life is on the line.

Most bolt in 6-points DO NOT protect the drivers head in a roll, especially if strapped down tight where there's no lateral movement of the body in a roll. So you're faced with 2 options in this case:
1) 6-point with stock 3-point belts (allows the body to move in a severe roll over
2) Full cage with 5 or 6 point belts. (4-point belts are worse than stock in SOME cases in a roll over situation... allows no lateral movement but the driver can still submarine.

Think VERY carefully about this. What's more important? Being able to meet the rules, or being able to continue living after a severe accident?

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