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Old 09-11-2003, 05:48 PM   #1
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Default Worried about being ripped off as a Buyer/Seller?

I have been getting an influx of PM's asking me to search the history of members on this board buy potential buyers and sellers for any signs of bad practices.

I suggest this to all of those who contact me.

Use an internet Escrow service such as www.escrow.com .

The price is reasonable and it will give you both piece of mind. You can figure out terms such as how long you give the person to inspect/test the item before payment is remitted to you from the escrow service. It also allows sellers to know the money is verified good funds (not stolen or floated).

I highly suggest this to all who are weary about making purchases in this forum especially high price items. Considering it may cost you alittle more at least you will be able to know if your satisfied with the item.

If after considering using an escrow service you are still weary of buying the product then you shouldn't buy it. Especially if you offer to pay for the escrow service and they wish not to.

I will leave this open for others to post different internet escrow services that they may have used other than escrow .
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Old 09-12-2003, 10:51 PM   #2
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why couldnt we use a trader rating like I-club?
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Old 09-13-2003, 12:21 PM   #3
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why couldnt we use a trader rating like I-club?

yea what he said.
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Old 09-13-2003, 02:29 PM   #4
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Because there is no way to make it unbiased, or to limit people providing feedback to those persons who have conducted business with an individual. People should protect themselves from bad deals instead of waiting for someone to do it for them anyway . If you are uncertain for any reason, don't deal with them.


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Old 09-13-2003, 03:43 PM   #5
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You can always do a user name search too. That will bring up all the post the person has made and you can search through that. Most people will complain if the service/parts were not up to what they thought. Then again most people will only comment if the service was bad and hardly ever if it was acceptable. So keep that in mind when doing a search.
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Old 09-13-2003, 04:09 PM   #6
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You can always do a user name search too. That will bring up all the post the person has made and you can search through that. Most people will complain if the service/parts were not up to what they thought. Then again most people will only comment if the service was bad and hardly ever if it was acceptable. So keep that in mind when doing a search.
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I always do that.

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Because there is no way to make it unbiased, or to limit people providing feedback to those persons who have conducted business with an individual. People should protect themselves from bad deals instead of waiting for someone to do it for them anyway . If you are uncertain for any reason, don't deal with them.


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You make a good point.


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Old 09-13-2003, 10:23 PM   #7
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I always do that.



You make a good point.


steve

Also what's to say that they didn't register 15 other names to rate the one user name as a positive.


The moderators of this forum will gladly help you out with answering your questions about members but keep in mind that we are busy as well and it may take us some extra time to check for any issues with a seller.

I've done that for at least a few dozen members here and always reccommended a escrow.com if incase they still feel apprehensive.
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Old 09-15-2003, 05:28 PM   #8
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why don't we join heatware.com or something and offload the "ratings" system to another site?
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Old 09-15-2003, 06:02 PM   #9
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Ok, say you research the person and they seem to be well known and have completed other transactions in the past. So you buy from them and then a while later still no product is received and they seem to be giving you the run around citing problems with the shipping company or something, when they respond at all.

What can the little guy do to get his money back if he is being robbed? Mind you, most situations don't deal with huge amounts of money but maybe something in the range of a few hundred dollars max.

In my particular situation, I know the guy's cell phone, home phone, address, but he is far from me.

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Old 09-15-2003, 11:33 PM   #10
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How about the money order method? If the buyer and seller agree, it kinda works out ok but takes a bit of time:

The buyer goes and buys a money order and rights out the name of the person that he is sending it to. On the receipt of the money order, Write: DO NOT REFUND. Scan/Fax the money order to the Seller and on receipt of proof of money order, Seller sends the item. The money order is useless to the buyer now so there is no way for him to cash it so the buyer sends the money order to the seller.

This is all theoretical and I might be missing something but its just a thought.
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Old 09-16-2003, 03:04 PM   #11
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How about the money order method? If the buyer and seller agree, it kinda works out ok but takes a bit of time:

The buyer goes and buys a money order and rights out the name of the person that he is sending it to. On the receipt of the money order, Write: DO NOT REFUND. Scan/Fax the money order to the Seller and on receipt of proof of money order, Seller sends the item. The money order is useless to the buyer now so there is no way for him to cash it so the buyer sends the money order to the seller.

This is all theoretical and I might be missing something but its just a thought.

Because what's to say the buyer isn't shady.
Trust me it's a two way street. I've been lucky enough to have had great transactions here buying and selling.

With escrow.com they hold the money for a specified amount of time that you and the other person agree on as an inspection period. If the person isn't satisfied for whatever reason they can return the item and get their money back minus shipping and associated fees.
Much better than losing out $600+ for a blown turbo or other electronic part.
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Old 09-17-2003, 11:16 PM   #12
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Default Suggestion!

Two words! Post Count

It's not gauranteed and on some purchases, the seller that has been on the boards for a very long time seem to have hit 'Scam' status. Even still, history repeats itself. History shows a lot of scams from people with low post counts. What's considered low? I'd say under 100 posts.

Argue away if you like, I don't care. Just browsing the boards a reading many posts I've seen this repeated. Am I saying don't buy from people with low post counts. Nope! Am I saying don't trust those with a low post/sell count? Yep! Am I offending those that are innocent with a low post count? Certainly! I'm not here to make everyone happy. So be it. Otherwise, use services like what's mentioned above and use your credit card if you can. L8Rs
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Old 09-18-2003, 10:11 AM   #13
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Two words! Post Count

It's not gauranteed and on some purchases, the seller that has been on the boards for a very long time seem to have hit 'Scam' status. Even still, history repeats itself. History shows a lot of scams from people with low post counts. What's considered low? I'd say under 100 posts.

Argue away if you like, I don't care. Just browsing the boards a reading many posts I've seen this repeated. Am I saying don't buy from people with low post counts. Nope! Am I saying don't trust those with a low post/sell count? Yep! Am I offending those that are innocent with a low post count? Certainly! I'm not here to make everyone happy. So be it. Otherwise, use services like what's mentioned above and use your credit card if you can. L8Rs
I agree to a point, but only to a point. Post counts really are not that helpful. I fully understand what counts towards your count and what doesn't, but I feel it isn't a true reflection of an individual.

Honestly, I personally think showing the post counts are fairly silly. It already shows you when a user registered, so if they are registered recently, go to the person's profile, and click on "show all posts by user". Also, another thing someone can do, is inquire about the user to some other people in that region.

I can almost guarantee that you'd have better luck doing that then anything else.

Just my two pennies.

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Old 09-26-2003, 10:02 PM   #14
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I love dealing with people that I know their name or I know someone that personally knows them. (That is why everyone should get out there to meets and such )

Like, I personally know MCU81, Colbeth, and B_tapper, and they will vouch for me (they are also post whores and recognizable names, which is a plus). A high post count and low member number help people feel like I'm not going to rip them off.

I def. do the name search though. Especially when doing the Car classifieds. You'd be amazed at what you will learn.

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Old 09-28-2003, 05:07 PM   #15
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I say just use something like paypal. Some guy tried to screw me over on a grill one time after I sent him money. I reported him to paypal(after I exhanged e-mails with him for over a week), a day after I report him he e-mails me sayign he sent me the money over by paypal and to drop my report against him. They work quick and if it gets serious paypall will freeze the buyer's account so he can't collect your money. I can't stress enough on how confident I am in paypal's services.
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Old 09-30-2003, 01:48 AM   #16
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I usually just post in their local boards to see if the guy's known. When people respond I browse their board to make sure it's not the same person with a bunch of screen names. (this doesn't work too well if the guy likes to post a lot under different screenames.)
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Old 10-02-2003, 04:16 PM   #17
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As much as I had did my homework before my large purchase, I still got screw over a set of bent wheels with the wrong offset, etc. Supposedly the guy ordered them with this and that but all of the previous information still weren't true.

Posting for people's opinion in their local forum is just another way to get more wrong information. How do we know that most people aren't his/her friends? And Posts that asks local people to check someone out is rediculous. Who will risk their own life to confront for someone? A lot of people want to help but truthfully, no one will go the distance to lean a hand.

I don't think there is a good way to do business on here safely without taking on some risk, in private sales. Even if you get your money back, unlike my case, you still have to deal with shipping the things back and the wasted time, etc.

I would suggest to people to just buy from reputable vendors who can do CC charges. It's sad that not all people on here are honest and have to lie to make a buck.
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Old 10-02-2003, 10:40 PM   #18
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If the people in your area don't know you they'll eigther post nothing or say so. If they do know you they'll put in a good word for you. I don't know about the other regional forums, but in the NW forum we know each other well, and hang out a lot. So if someone asked "Hey I'm buying an exhuast from soinso, anybody know him?" We'll tell the guy if he's trustworthy or not. If someone in our area does some shady stuff he might as well not post on boards cause he'll get called on it every time, or show up to a meet cause we're kicking him out. (or depending how shady he is, kicking him somewhere else.)
Listen if you don't think I'm telling the truth then post my name up in the NW forums just to see what people's replys are, I won't mind.
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Old 10-14-2003, 02:22 PM   #19
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Is it possible to do a COD (Cash on Delivery I beleive)? I've never used a COD but think it would protect both seller and buyer. Seller get's their money when buyer signs for the package.
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Old 10-17-2003, 10:41 PM   #20
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I say just use something like paypal. Some guy tried to screw me over on a grill one time after I sent him money. I reported him to paypal(after I exhanged e-mails with him for over a week), a day after I report him he e-mails me sayign he sent me the money over by paypal and to drop my report against him. They work quick and if it gets serious paypall will freeze the buyer's account so he can't collect your money. I can't stress enough on how confident I am in paypal's services.
Paypal alone isn't 100% full proof. I got ripped off because paypal tried to get my money back but the guy already withdrew the funds from the account so that didn't work.
My suggestions is use paypal with a VISA credit card. That way if paypal won't refund your money you can dispute the charge with the credit card company. I've done this before and it works.
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Old 11-12-2003, 11:13 AM   #21
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I also agree COD is a good way, as long as you pay to have certified funds (money order or cashiers check, no personal checks). I use it a lot. It added $7.50 to UPS shipping charges the last few times I used it.
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:16 PM   #22
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There's no one way to best prevent theft and fraud. COD is definitely the best way to go about it for certain items like exhausts and intakes, but no so effective on electronic and mechanical parts like boost controllers and engines. I won't do business with individuals without escrow or COD, whichever is more appropriate.
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Old 12-02-2003, 10:34 PM   #23
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Just wanted to say a belated thanks to MPREZYA for saving me $400.00.

There is a guy whose screen name is "Glenn Davis" on acura-cl.com who was selling some CL-S rims and tires cheap. I was one mouse-click away from sending him my money, but stopped myself because although he was paypal verified, he didn't have any confirmed transactions. I asked for additional verification that he was who he said he was, and he feigned cooperation and ignorance, but he offered nothing satisfactory.

Remembering this thread, I went to escrow.com, figured out how it worked, then offered to pay the entire escrow fee if he would do the transaction through escrow.com. Suffice it to say, he never responded to any of my further e-mails, and I saved myself $400.00.
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Old 12-11-2003, 04:59 PM   #24
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I as wondering if you guys think this link might be useful for a sticky in this forum.

http://www.bbb.com/alerts/article.asp?ID=476

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Old 12-21-2003, 01:00 AM   #25
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heatware.com would be a start i think we should all look into it!!!
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