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Old 02-16-2001, 02:28 PM   #1
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Post Harness install Q's

First off I am not sure where this should have gone, but I guess here is as good as any.

I want to install a set of harnesses in my car. I think that a decent 3 point will be all I need. This is going to be a weekend warrior of a race car. AutoX, maybe RallyX, and some spirited driving. I think it would be easiest to be able to remove the harnesses after each race since they are not legal for street use in my state. Here is my question:
I have a MY01 sedan. I have been told the safest place to mount the shoulder straps in on a roll bar in the back. Since I dont have a rollbar, I think the area between the rear seat peices would work best. Could I attach half of a stock style seatbelt latch to the tail of the shoulder pieces and buckle it into a short piece of webbing mounted to the rear seat area. Could I also do this with the lap belt. This would make it really easy to remove and install at the track. Would it be safe?

Thank you for the help in advance.
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Old 02-16-2001, 03:07 PM   #2
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i'll let you install mine i have a 3 pt from primm comming....(if it ever makes it to the ol USA)

its suppose to come with eye-bolts that go in to the factory seat belt bolt-sockets
there-by the front 2 points are removeable

like so

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Old 02-16-2001, 05:33 PM   #3

Or you can do like I did and put in a removeable harness bar!

*Make sure that your degree of down angle is not too severe or the harness will become unsafe. I think it is something like 30 degrees up/down angle. 10 degrees side to side.*

Old 02-16-2001, 09:20 PM   #4
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Ease of install and removal probably does not make for the most secure (read: safe) installation. To be honest, I haven't been able to visualize the exact mounting method you are talking about Jeff. Suffice to say, if you are going to be relying on the harness you install, you will be wise to install it as securely as possible.

Schroth makes street-legal (DOT approved) harnesses. These also have a clip on the tail strap that allows it to be disconnected. With the tail strap disconnected, most of the rest of the harness can be tucked out of the way.

I have a Schroth harness installed in my Sube. I mounted the lap portions to the stock lap belt locations. I mounted the tail strap to the left-rear shoulder belt location (base of C-pillar). I had to remove and replace the C-pillar plastic to do this. This is probably the most safe and secure method of installing a harness, with the exception of installing it in concert with a roll bar.

IF i ever had to fit four up in the Sube, I could disconnect the tail strap (which would hang down the very left of the rear seat) and could tuck the rest of the harness under the front seat. Presto-changeo!

My advice, get it as secure as possible. It can also be somewhat convenient.

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Old 02-16-2001, 10:42 PM   #5
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Install is pretty straight forward.

The lap belt mounts:
1. Mounts where the stock shoulder harness mounts at the floor.
2. Mounts to inner rear seat mounting point.
Rear section:
Remove rear seat coushin and mount along with stock rear lap belt buckles/replace rear seat coushin.

There you go all done.


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Old 02-17-2001, 07:27 AM   #6
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Is that guy old enough to drive?

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Old 02-17-2001, 08:17 AM   #7
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Those mount points look good, but what about the all-important crotch strap? What has everyones solution been to this?
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Old 02-17-2001, 09:02 AM   #8
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There is a threaded bolt hole under the seat or just behind the seat to mount the anti-sub belt (crotch strap). I'm not sure the exact location but any of the good tuners should be able to help you. Try probing around through the carpet with a heavy-duty needle of some sort.

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Old 02-17-2001, 01:20 PM   #9
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Okay, to attempt to clarify my intall idea.

Take each side of the lap belt, and mount a buckle to it. Now mount the other half of the buckle to a short piece of web, and mount it to the stock lap belt location.

Now take the shoulder part and add some more webbing with a buckle on the end of it. Mount the other half of the buckle on some short webbing, and mount it to the stock center rear selt belt location.

Do all of this along with the stock seatbelts.

Now to install the harness just buckle the 3 sets of buckles together. To remove, just unbuckle the harness mounts, and tuck the short tail under the seat.

Easy in, Easy out.

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Old 02-17-2001, 05:19 PM   #10
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So we can't use a harness instead of a seat belt in Idaho? That could be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Do you happen to know why that is? I would think that as long as it has been installed properly, it wouldn't matter. Sometimes I just don't understand this state...
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