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Old 06-29-2000, 01:11 PM   #1
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I haven't followed your previous thoughts on this, but thought I might throw another one out there.
Have you ever thought about picking up a Mazda 323 GTX? This car is alreay AWD and Turbo. You pick up the car for +/- $2000 and then have a platform to throw a much newer Mazda 16v and turbo in for another $2000-3000. That gives you a real kick-ass car for $5000 plus whatever bodywork, suspension etc. is required.
Might not be car that appeals to you, but one you might consider, especially if you are building it to rally. There are still a fair number of these racing amateur over ten years after they stopped making them.
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Old 06-29-2000, 01:22 PM   #2
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Mazda 323GTX MMMMMM...

I also like these cars but are a bit hard to find, although you can occasionally get lucky and pick one up for under $3000.

Road Race Engineering are the people to go to for these cars since they have a lot of R&D and parts for the 323.

My friend has a really rare 323 GTX sedan. Yup, you heard right, a SEDAN. There were only a few hundred brought into the USA. He has the ultimate sleeper running 15psi of boost and a Mazda MX-6 top mounted intercooler. His car even came with the in dash, adjustable suspension. It is sort of like the HKS TEMS controller for the Supra models.

In fact, there is a red sleeper 323GTX around Chicago. Trust me, I got totally dusted by it.

www.tadmotorsports.com www.roadraceengineering.com


Anyone can build a 2wd turbo car(ala honda, nissan, etc.) but it is more rewarding having a 4wd turbo car. I'd say to find a 93-94 Subaru with the AWD option and go from there. You will have a lot more money to work with. This is the mistake I made. Anyone want my '99 RS?

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Old 06-29-2000, 01:27 PM   #3
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The 4G63 swap into Turbo Mirage is a know swap. Contact the guys over at [ur]http://www.teamrip.com[/url] and ask them about it. They don't have anything on the web, but as far as I know, both of them have 2.0L Turbo Mirages that fly 13s.
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Old 06-29-2000, 01:43 PM   #4

ah! 323! damn you guys! (hehe. j/k) i don't need more options.. i forgot about the awd 323's.. hmm.. i'd better stick to my game plan. thanks to everyone about the 4g63 swap. i know that people have done the swap so i didn't think it was impossible. what i've done in the past for swaps like this is get the body repair manual from said destination car (ie; the evo) and you can actually see where the motor should sit exacly and what's involved and compare that to the us mirage.

i didn't realize that the heads were 180deg off in the eclipses. i must do more research on US 4g63s. hmm.. i thought you guys would try and sway me towards imprezas.. what's going on here? heheh. now i'm really tempted to go for the mirage. too bad DSMers suck (sorry if you're a dsmer, but the ones i've meet so far suck). subie guys and gals seem a bit more mature.

now i'm perplexed...
Old 06-29-2000, 05:46 PM   #5
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I'll sell someone my 94 Dodge Colt (mitsubishi mirage made in canada, with japanese parts, badged american, and sold in CA) for this conversion for $5k (e-mail me). I would but I may as well sell it as I am sinking too much money into my Impreza .
(selling the wifes car for money for his Impreza Infatuation.......SHHHHHH don't tell her)
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Old 06-30-2000, 12:32 AM   #6
Question what to do, what to do....

ok, i doubt anyone remembers, but i've been comteplating an impreza build up. after doing more research and estimating price cost, wow! it's not cheap. the price factor mainly comes in to play with the expense of the EJ20 wrx motor (cant seem to find it under 4k).

while talking to my local yards i have found that they also import mitsu 4G63 motors (woo hoo!) which for those who don't know those are the ones from EVO's (in japan) and the same as the ones in the USDM eclipse. the us 4g63 is a lower HP output than the jdm 280hp version. which had me thinking....

ok, buy a 97+ mirage, drop in a US 4G63 (from eclipse) w/ a GST FWD tranny (for now...hehe) for a lot less than an ej20 (us 4g63 w/ tranny are less than 1k, so use the extra money to build it up to 300hp). then you could actually BAR the car for those in CA... albiet it would be FWD, it would be running, and i wouldn't let it be FWD for long... i have a welder and i'm not afraid to use it. and for those concerned about the body, http://www.spoilers.com/ge/mitsumirage97.htm and i've found another compnay that can get the front flared fenders... so the only thing you wouldn't have was the rear flared fenders as far as looks goes.

so here's the choice, mirage w/ 4g63 w/ FWD (easy to do, AWD would be a challenge but not impossible) that i could BAR (b/c i live in CA) and it would cost less than the impreza built up. or for the sake of playing it safe, go w/ the impreza and go nutts!

other pro's and con's are the avialabilty of engine parts (replacement) for 4G63 motors (good), aftermarket mirage parts are hard to find in the states (bad, but ihave friends in japan that coould send me stuff), impreza swap is A LOT easier (good), but the mirage does have the rare factor (good)....hmmm what to do, what to do. any input is welcome.

thank you
Old 06-30-2000, 12:52 AM   #7
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I've already done some research on this awhile back.

The eclipse motors will not drop in the 97+ mirages. You'll have to reweld or fabricate new mounts. You will also have to change out the suspension, wiring, axles, hubs, ecu, etc.

Any generation eclipse motors will drop right into a 93-96 mirage without modifying the mounts.

If you look closely, the Evo heads are 180 degrees opposite side to the Eclipse GST motors. So basically, you would have to turbocharge an RS or GS motor which have the same side config as the japanese evos.

I've also talked with TAD motorsports who have done a few evoIII and evoIV,V conversions and they also said that the evoIV conversion is a big pain in the arse and they wouldn't want to do it again.

Not as easy as it seems.
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Old 06-30-2000, 12:57 AM   #8

thanks for the info. yup, i've heard the same story about the mounts and what not to get a 4g63 motor into the car. i'm not worried about the mounts, it's nothing a welder can't fix. after all, if my friend can put in a sr20det in a 67 datsun roadster, i think we can do this swap. hehe...

does TAD motorsports have a phone number or website? i'd be interested to talk to them and see what they thought.

thanks for the info
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I went to TAD a few days ago and they have 4-5 EVO's around including one of the guys that work there (owner? long-haired late-20 year old guy) who has a "Mirage" EVO VI (actual) and converted it to LHD that he brought over from the other side of the pond.
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