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Old 06-26-2000, 09:51 PM   #1
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Exclamation Type R madness

I love my RS, I love my RS, I love my RS, I love my RS....

One of our fellow Subaru owner's wife bought an Integra Type R a couple of weeks ago. Well, this weekend at the Auto-X we had in Colorado, I sat down in it, and WOW!!!

I haven't been impressed with a car this much since I sat down in an RS (Yes, I did factor in that it was a new car). I didn't drive it, fortunately, just sat down in it. Just sitting in this thing and playing with the pedals and shifter, I knew it was a really good car. The majority of the interior is better than the RS, it looked and felt more refined/polished. The pedal placement is perfect for left foot braking, something that is impossible for me to do in the RS, as the RS is set up for heel-toe, and I have big feet. The clutch and shifter felt really solid, and moved into position smoothly. The seats felt about the same, and visibility was the same.

If Subaru delivers an unimpressive Impreza next year, and if I ever do drive one of these things. I may consider trading in my RS next summer.

One thing that kept bringing me back into the Subaru realm, is the AWD and the RS's uniqueness.

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Old 06-26-2000, 11:10 PM   #2
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I don't see how a Type-R is gonna be a better drive than a Turbo Impreza with nice tires and sway bar. Especially with an extra 20hp vs the Type-R if it only comes with the European spec engine. Get your nicer carpet and seats, and it will feel as fresh as the Type-R.

We live in Colorado, where it snows a lot, and rains every afternoon in the summer. Stick with AWD. Besides, everyone drives Hondas, you gotta stand out in the crowd.

Don't forget, driving your car, I went faster than Roger, who came in first place ST class on the same course! As a matter of fact, the times I ran in your car would have been good for first in GS, ST, SM or STP. So, it aint no slug!

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Old 06-26-2000, 11:56 PM   #3
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The AWD and being unique are the biggest reasons I love the RS, there are a bunch more reason's why I bought it. I would love to turn this car into hell on wheels and keep it for 5 years. Which is why I'm being patient before I do anything major to the car (as we all are), or make any significant plans with the car.

What's nice about the Type-R is that it is unnecessary to make any mods to the car, other than turbo it. The car is excellent as is in stock form. Whereas, I needed to make a few suspension mods to the Impreza to get it where I like it. After this weekend, there are a couple of more minor suspension/handling mods I will want to make in the next month. I consider the engines to be almost equal between the Impreza and the Type-R. Each have their strengths and weaknesses, so I won't go into that.

If I could remember what the numbers were for the Type-R's that were running in GS class, I would compare your times to their's.

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Old 06-27-2000, 12:24 AM   #4
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Hmmm. Best Motoring has a video I'm sure most of you have seen that includes a multi-lap race between a Civic Type-R, Integra Type-R, and Impreza WRX. The Integra and the Impreza run the entire race very close with the WRX edging the ITR out in the end.

OK, cool, the WRX and ITR are very evenly matched on a race track -- what makes it really interesting is that the WRX has a 70hp advantage over the ITR in JDM spec. I've been told the cars in that video are stock, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The US ITR is very close to the JDM ITR, with the differences being compression ratio (very slightly higher in Japan), and some relatively minor emissions changes (exhaust system, including different headers). HP output for the USDM is 195, with the JDM maybe 10-15 HP up on that. Read into that what you will.

In my opinion, pushing much more HP through the front wheels than the JDM-spec ITR is difficult without making serious driveability and handling compromises (read: torque steer).

So it's a Honda. So what? A great car is a great car.

Bah, this is a dead horse, isn't it?

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Old 06-27-2000, 12:37 AM   #5
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You can't say that you won't stand out in a crowd with a Type R, theres only about 2500 of them total in the US. They have a sort of godliness status in the import community. Even people who are hardcore Euro, or American car owners now of the Type R. Many of them like it or atleast respect it.
Why would you rather have a Type R over the Turbo Impreza? 1. This is the last year for the Type R, so there will never be more than around 2500 in the US(Will take note, if you trade in next summer you will have to get a used Type R). 2. If you autocross, its been dominating its class in the hands of good drivers(seen video of these things keeping up with NSX's on the track). 3. The build quality and technology that went into it. If you've ever driven one, or even sat in one you know what I mean. There is a lot of things different from the Type R and the GS-R(and not just in the engine compartment).
Comparing Turbo Impreza to Type R, stock to stock, they will probably be close. If the rumors are true(around 220~230hp) the impreza should be slightly faster to 60 as well as the 1/4 mile(in a race, the better driver would probably win). Breaking and dry handling I would defidently give to the Type R. As for driving enjoyment, thats up to you and what your driving style is.
With the Type R you get an out of the box race car, built for a specific kind of driver. The turbo impreza is going to be a plush ride compared to the Type R. The turbo impreza we get will most likely have a soft suspension with small brakes and low power(compared to some of the European and Japanese offerings). I really hope Subaru gives us what we want(STI), but from their point of view they are taking a gamble so they will want to make a car that apeals to the stereotypical American driver(i.e. sacrafice performance for ride quality). So if you want to make the Impreza hardcore like the Type R, you'll have to drop a lot of money into it, and end up running autocross in the modified class. Maybe a few years after the Turbo Imprezas release, if sales are good like in Europe we will get some of the beter Impreza's. Keep in mind we really don't know anything about the turbo impreza we'll get so my assumptions could be true, or I may be talking out my @$$. It really just comes down to what you prefer.

P.S. Will if you did get a Type R, I'd urge you not to turbo. With the Type R, you aren't going to see a drastic performance increase with a turbo. Keep it stock, honda knew what they were doing when they tuned it. If you must put aftermarket parts on it, go for the best, Mugen(sort of like TRD with Toyota). Sure its expensive, but you know it will give you actual gains, and it won't decrease the value of your car like regular aftermarket parts will.

FYI, The JDM Type R is 205hp and I think its due to emissions and higher grade gas in Japan.

[This message has been edited by Eby (edited June 27, 2000).]
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Old 06-27-2000, 12:48 AM   #6
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If you do get a ITR, yea, I'd suggest you stick with the NA route as well. Spoon parts, Mugen, ooh..
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Old 06-27-2000, 07:14 AM   #7
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Ditto. My budy from Philly came down to visit this weekend and I got to drive his ITR. Wow I totally respect that thing so much more now. The RS/WRX should be more like that stock. His car has almost 20,000 on it and feels rock solid. No goofy ratles or suspension/tranny thuds. Stock motor is great wouldn't mess with it. Drive like a normal car until you get in it. Reminded me a lot of two-stroke MX bikes. Don't get me wrong I still love the Impreza.
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Old 06-27-2000, 07:27 AM   #8
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One cool thing about the ITR versus other Tegs is that in some areas of the unibody, different stampings are used. I don't remember where exactly, but you've got to hand it to Honda for this. Also, Integra Type R's are doing some serious damage in the Speedvision Touring Car Series.
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Old 06-27-2000, 10:35 AM   #9
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I have to agree with you Will. I love Joy's Type-R. When she first got it I drove down to Erie to drool. Eric has taken me for a few drives and that thing just holds the road. If only I had waited a year to get a new car. I don't know how many times I've told Joy I'll trade her cars
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Old 06-28-2000, 12:15 AM   #10
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Well, after driving both the RS and the Type-R, I'd have to go with the Type-R. Great handling, engine (if you don't mind the rev's wayyy up there), I love the way the engine sounds like its in your lap. Great seats. No stupid rattles, quirks, totally a solid car. Now if and when the WRX (?) ever gets here, there would be some definet competition. But as far as the RS goes, I really can't seeing it compete.
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Old 06-28-2000, 12:29 AM   #11
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It's a good car Will, made to look even better by the fact that Fauth wins the Expert class nearly every event in one. I'll probably drive it in an autocross sometime soon, so I'll be able to give a better comparison.

Nothing launches like an RS. It's way too easy to spin tires on a FWD car. It'll be interesting to see how we do vs. these things in the ProSolo format.

I love the engine, hitting VTEC is good for lots of grins. The car is fast and it handles extremely well.

Will, I'll have to give you a ride in it sometime. It's a blast.

I think the RS is easier to drive fast in an autocross. The ITR is probably faster, but it will take a better driver to get that out of the ITR. Again, just an early observation.

I'm definitely eagerly awaiting Subaru's next Impreza. If it doesn't deliver the performance of the ITR, I may be looking elsewhere for my next ride. Like a used NSX... oh baby...
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