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Old 09-13-2000, 10:02 AM   #1
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Post "Manual" automatics abound, BUT "automatic" manuals?

Check this out. It may be the future of all trannies... based on corporate dollars.

Although I like my left pedal, I could accept this more than the current Tiptronics, manualmatics, etc.
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Old 09-13-2000, 10:23 AM   #2
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The Ferarri F355 F1 uses an actual clutch with their paddle shifter car...no torque converter. So it is like an F1 (or even rally) style shifter...not an automatic...even though it can be driven in automatic mode with the car shifting for you! It is a really clever design...for a very cool car.

So it is an "automatic" manual.

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Old 09-13-2000, 06:36 PM   #3
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Is anyone old enough to remember the SAAB 91? That vehicle had a control that would allow you to shift without using the clutch. It was a freewheel type of set up. Of course that was a column shift, but..."what goes around, comes around"
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Old 09-14-2000, 02:34 PM   #4
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I can shift my '87 Saab 900S 16v without using the clutch. Just match the revs, nudge the shifter in the proper direction, and it slips very sweetly into gear. I can do this very quickly even during agressive driving.
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Old 09-15-2000, 12:34 AM   #5
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Saab also had a prototypical one i read about in C&D a few years ago, though i don't think they ever produced it for the 900/9000, though i'm again unsure.

It's a great idea but works better the other way around.
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Old 09-15-2000, 12:44 AM   #6
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Porsche and I think VW had something called a sportomatic until about 1976. It (the Porsche version) was a 4speed manual (901) gearbox with a clutch and a torque converter.
The shifter knob was connected to a soleniod that would disengage the clutch when you grabbed the shift knob. With the torque converter you could stay in gear at lights and start from a stop in 4th (not reccomended). I think VW version was 2 or 3speed.

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