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Old 02-23-2004, 01:07 PM   #1
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Default XT Fuel Economy- Is it Low?

Just reading up a bit on the XT, I really like it (except that whole thing about no moonroof w/ the manual) I am wondering if folks are happy w/ the fuel economy? At EPA 18/23, it does seem low to me, so I checked out some numbers for other Sport Utes:

Toyota Highlander, Auto, 3.3V6, 21/25
Acura MDX, MT, 3.5V6, 17/23
Nissan Murano, MT, 3.5V6, 20/24
Saturn Vue, MT, 3.5V6, 19/25
Infinity FX35, MT, 3.5V6, 16/22
BMW X3, 3.0V6, 17/25
Lexus RX330, 3.3V6, 18/24

And I'm finding it hard to believe that a much smaller, lighter SUV like the Forrester, w/ a 4 cyl. engine is getting lower gas mileage
than these bigger, guzzling V6s... What's the deal?
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Old 02-23-2004, 01:47 PM   #2
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The deal is that the Forester will outperform any of those listed vehicles, by a lot. The non-turbo 4 cyl gets 21/27.

A better comparison would be something like a RAV4 MT which is rated 22/28 and weighs about the same at the FXT and has the same interior volume. The Towing capacity is 900 lbs. less and the performance is way off.

The turbo sucks up gas, but you get what you pay for.

At this point I've been getting 22 - 25 mpg pretty consistantly. I'll ask my friend who has a Highlander what he's getting.
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Old 02-23-2004, 04:05 PM   #3
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I have driven a friends CRV and it doesn't have the ride, handling, or anywhere near the acceleration of the FXT and she only gets 1-2MPG more than I do and she drives much more sedately...
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Old 02-23-2004, 04:52 PM   #4
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Agree about the performance, def. a high point. Just bugs me that other vehicles that will outhaul/out-tow and seat people more comfortably have big ol V6s (like the Saturn's 3.5L 250hp/240lb-ft) actually get bettter mileage. Its just strange, maybe its just the final gear ratio. 5.3 sec 0-60 is nice, but I'd have settled for 6.0 sec if it could get 21/27 instead ...
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Old 02-23-2004, 07:07 PM   #5
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Agree about the performance, def. a high point. Just bugs me that other vehicles that will outhaul/out-tow and seat people more comfortably have big ol V6s (like the Saturn's 3.5L 250hp/240lb-ft) actually get bettter mileage. Its just strange, maybe its just the final gear ratio. 5.3 sec 0-60 is nice, but I'd have settled for 6.0 sec if it could get 21/27 instead ...
You want a 4cyl to out-tow a 6?
Youre comparing saturn to the FXT?
You want to eat a no fat no carb no sugar cheesecake too?

Many FXT owners have posted their fuel consumption in a thread here in the forester forum, that should give you an ideal number range to expect.
As for towing, if youre serious about towing, you shouldnt be looking at anything less than 8 cyl.
And lastly, the forester is not an SUV; Impreza wagon.
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Old 02-24-2004, 05:34 PM   #6
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Don't forget that the Subaru AWD is literally "all the time". Most of the better mpg suvs with AWD have a part-time system. Their drive is to the front wheels only, switching to full AWD when needed. Add that to the blistering gear ratios that Subaru gave us = 23mpg.
Better comparisons should be made with cars that can turn the same accelleration numbers...try the AMGs or Porsches out there!
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Old 02-25-2004, 09:29 AM   #7
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Add that to the blistering gear ratios that Subaru gave us = 23mpg.
Better comparisons should be made with cars that can turn the same accelleration numbers...try the AMGs or Porsches out there!
Yeah, I'm starting to realize it boils down to gear ratios. i'm guessing anyone else (Acura/Toyota/Saturn et al w/ their 220-250HP V6s) could've slapped more aggresive gears on their sport utes if they thought 0-60 times were important. But those manufacturers also make a lot of low mileage vehicles and CAFE standards probably provide an incentive to keep ther MPG numbers up where possible, yielding 6 passenger 3,800lb+ V6 SUVs w/ better mileage than the FXT.
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One thing to think about.
The stump pulling 1st gear is great for creeping over rocks and going off-road.
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Old 02-25-2004, 01:05 PM   #9
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One thing to think about.
The stump pulling 1st gear is great for creeping over rocks and going off-road.
Not to mention plowing through tons of deep, wet, snowfall...I wouldn't change it for the world after snowroading it last weekend.

What we do need is to push (snail mail) Subaru for a 6MT with better highway ratios in 5th and 6th for cruising at something under redline at 55mph in 5th, which nets us the relatively crappy ~20-23MPG HWY ratings.
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Old 02-25-2004, 01:59 PM   #10
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Speaking of final drive ratios, dunno if anyone saw this on the '05 Legacy Thread, but the spec sheets for the '05 Legacy 2.5GT and Legacy Outback XT (both running w/ the 2.5Turbo/250HP) show's a final drive ratio of 4.11 for the Legacy GT and 4.44 for the Outback XT. I'm wondering what kinda mileage they 4.11 Legacy will get ...
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