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Old 08-18-2000, 03:53 PM   #1
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Post Help me decide where to live

I am getting ready to Retire from 20 years of Active Duty military service this time next year...

My wife is a Xray Tech (MRi and Catscan) and I would like to pursue something in the computer, Auto or Government Employee Segment.

Please tell me about your Town/City so I can make a choice on where to move to...

Some Rules..that me and my wife have decided on..

1. Nice people
2. Nice weather (4 seasons but not alot of winter)
3. Decent Wages (want to buy a 3 or 4 bedroom house thats not to expensive with some land 2 or 3 acres)
4. 30-45 mins from a MAJOR City At least
5. Active AutoX's close....For me
6. place to Ride ATV's
7. Newer community (don't want Antique but nice)

Any help would be greatly appreciated..need to know how your vehicle Insurance is for your location, Property taxes,how are the local Vehicle laws (Mod Friendly), Do they Tax Retirement(state), and Why would I "want" to live in the area...in other words "WHATS THERE"

Places I am considering but not limited to:

Northern Va (Dahlgren Area)
Portland Or.
Washington St.
Southern Texas
Atlanta GA. BURBS.
North Carolina
But am open to sugestions...

Sorry for the long post...Just want to make sure I know all my options..

PLEASE respond if you are qualified..or you can email me mailto:[email protected] if you want to share your views more privately...

Thanks Folks...
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Old 08-18-2000, 04:08 PM   #2

I've lived in Hotlanta and now am in Eugene Oregon. Atlanta as I saw it, was a good place to make money and do nothing else. My parents still live there and love it, but it gets way to hot there for me, its the humidity. Portland however is super cool. Really pretty country too down by the Gorge. Summers are comfy and if you can deal with the rain in the winter, I would highly recomend it. I'm here for school, but my G/F wants to move to Salt Lake City when we are done, (no not mormon), she grew up there, and I met her there. Good place, but far from everything. Portland has every climate available, and is really close to good travel spots like Seattle. The Pacific Northwest is a great place to be.
Old 08-18-2000, 04:48 PM   #3
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Personally I love the Western NC area. I am about 15-20 minutes North of Asheville. Some good things:

-No exhaust sniffers for pollution as yet.

-Highlands Sports Car Club is local (autocrosses)

-Auto insurance is not very expensive (I have 2 full coverage vehicles for $600 per month with a couple of incidents on my record.)

-Property tax is not very high at all.

-Great people (especially the Subie owners)

-Weather is very moderate. Some snow in winter but not usually (or at least in the past 3 years) anything heavy at all.

-Teague's Auto is local.

-Lots of existing and new housing.

-2 hospitals.

-Last but not least, its just plain pretty up here, great views almost wherever you are.

Almost forgot:
1 and a half hours to Charlotte, 2 hours to Pigeon Forge, it is pretty close to almost anything.

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Old 08-18-2000, 04:52 PM   #4
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Just info on Virginia...they are not nice people when it comes to driving fast, and traffic is horrible. Did I mention that the cops aren't real happy when it comes to speeding? Detectors are completely illegal unless you live somewhere else and then (and only then) you can turn em off and drive on through. I have family in Alexandria and somewhere I can't remember that's 45 mins out of Alexandria. It's a great place but it's not a great place to drive.

North Carolina's nice. Nice people, though where I am is a little backwards for my taste. Rice is just starting to be introduced. The RTP area should be a haven for you if you want computer work. Weather's great, no snow (and if there is the place shuts down so you can party in the Sube). Autocrosses down in Lumberton, ATVs are everywhere and used by many, and the places are all relatively "new but old" (they're old, but now the masses are starting to move in).

Insurance is fairly low. Property is cheap, especially if you buy outside the cities or off the beaches. Vehicle laws are friendly, but not super-friendly. The place is an ideal retirement spot...nice weather, fairly central, growing, not too far from beach/mountains, and fairly laid back.

Tennessee is great too, though it's gotten a little bigger than NC. It doesn't have the beach access or "refuge" feel that NC does, and it's getting more and more crowded, but you have the history (Civil War and Memphis/Blues) as well as the mountains and the friendly people. Lots of country music too, and plenty of arts. Some auto industries in Tennessee too if I remember correctly.

Southern Texas? Yo espero que tu hables espanol. (did I say that right?)

All in all, it's your call. Do the research and take a road trip and you'll figure it out soon enough, I bet. I can't tell you where to live.
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Old 08-18-2000, 06:14 PM   #5
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South Texas all the way.

Your wife could easily get a job at MD Anderson or another hospital in the Medical Center...they're always hiring there. There are quite a bit of autocrosses here as well. I live about 30-40 minutes from Houston proper, area's nice and quiet and you can get land out here if you desire it.

Plus, you'd not be too far away from Trey Cobb's place. That's reason alone to move! (/plug)
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Old 08-18-2000, 06:58 PM   #6
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I could not agree more with "overtime" I live about 30 minutes SE of Raleigh in NC in a little town called Micro (no joke) There is no other place to live as far as I am concerned. Mountains are 2 hours west, Beaches are 2 hours east, Many high profile hospitals in the area. (Durham is 5 minutes from Raleigh and is known as the city of medicine - Duke University) I have many friends with ATV's. There are lots of places to ride from 100 acre private farms to 50,000 acre national parks. And since I am in the land surveying/development business, I can set you right up with a home. I am involved in many subdivisions in a town Known as Clayton. 15 minutes from Raleigh. Big city conveniences but still reasonable land prices. If you like golf, I am involved with a subdivision that Arnold Palmer is going to put a signature golf course in and there are about 15-20 courses in the Clayton area. As far as employment and quality of living goes, check any magazine that rates US cities and the Raleigh/Durham area will be in the top 10 (probably the top 5). OK that's enough for now, but I could go on. If you need any more information or have any questions, check my profile for my e-mail address. Give this area serious consideration.Later

J.N. Holland

PS I forgot about your employment oppurtunities: Computers - SAS institute, IBM, Cisco Systems, etc., etc., etc. (there are lots)
Government - Raleigh is the Capital, All state government is there.
Since I am new to the Impreza phenomenon, I don't know about auto-x's.

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Old 08-18-2000, 07:07 PM   #7
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i gotta go with the NC people here. i was stationed at Ft. Bragg for a couple of years, i went out with a girl from Duke so i was always up and around Raliegh/Durham. the state has a little bit of everything. there are mountains in the west, beaches in the east. the people are laid back and friendly, the larger towns are sophisticated enough for most urbanites. i live back in NJ now, and every day i am a little bit closer to leaving this state; it's over crowded (like the whole N. east) and most people are either miserable, selfish or both. personally i would take a long look at the west coast, but if you are looking east i would go to NC.
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Old 08-18-2000, 08:09 PM   #8
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Dover, Delaware, quiet !!!! 90 min to D.C. 75 min to Philly. Great homes at prices that make sense. Dover AFB has all the stuff you need except medical care which you can get a Kent General (not a bad hospital !) Lived here since the Gulf War, moved here from Richmond VA. Northern VA has priced it's self out of the market, unless your a retired O-5 and want a contractors job, then D.C. or Northern VA is for you.
Just went over 21 years, 4 to go !
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Old 08-18-2000, 09:42 PM   #9
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I live in Southern Maryland and I think its great. I have a 4 bedroom house with over 3 acers of land, a quiet neighborhood, close to boating, close to DC, close to Richmond Baltimore. There is plenty of autocrossing, in DC, Richmond and Harrisburg and quite a contingent of Scooby owners showing up in the Mid-Atlantic region.

The drive into downtown DC from my house is about 25-30 miles and can take as little as 25 minutes, uhhhh or as long as 1+ hours. Traffic can be an issue, but after 20 years of military service Id say you could easily work off hours if you wanted to. And there is alot of military around, tons of bases of all branches. In fact I have a retired Navy, a retired Air-force and active army as three neighbors.

The living is good, pace is slower than NVA and much cheaper than Montgomery County. Lots of new contruction to fit basically any buget. Some very nice established neighborhoods also.

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Old 08-19-2000, 07:52 AM   #10
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I agree with the North Carolina boys about the west of the state, But I live in Wilson which is in the east and it... well, it SUCKS. Once you get to Raleigh it is awesome and it just gets better as you go west. The mountains of North Carolina are some of the best.
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Old 08-19-2000, 07:57 AM   #11
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Note about Virginia:

When crossing the Virginia border You are greeted with three signs:

1. Welcome to Virginia

2. Someting about how your radar detector will be confiscated

3. Speed limit enforced by AIRCRAFT!!!!!
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Old 08-19-2000, 09:36 AM   #12
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northeast tennessee all the way ive lived here for 19 yrs and love it not many subies around here but hey...these arent hondas

1 hr away from pigeon forge/gatlinburg pretty close to dale teagues, mountains RULE!!! , cops are ok (i guess)

we have everything here

thats all i can say plus the DRAGWAY and the racetrack!! im like 2 minutes away from both!

~~PeAcE~~ John
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Old 08-19-2000, 09:57 AM   #13
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Thanks Guys..I really, really appreciate your efforts....I am reading each one very carefully...also letting my wife read them as well...

Western NC is a VERY strong possibility, It was in the running early anyways...I grew up in NW North Carolina near the VA border so I know what to expect for Scenery...Boone, Hickory and Ashville are Beutiful...

The one the sorta took me and the wife by surprise and is now on the list is Delaware....hadn't even considered it until GG suggested it...That sounds cool to..Thanks

Some other minor criterea that I thought of that should have been on the list above...


Thanks Folks, Keep them coming...
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Old 08-19-2000, 01:17 PM   #14
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Vancouver BC, CANADA!

Sking, Snowboarding, Awesome fishing, Beautiful scenery, right beside the pacific ocean. Lots of Friendly people, LOTS OF IMPREZAS!, I-club Vancouver...Some rally events,

Not much winter hear, it gets cold, but not much snow.

Wages... umm no... we get taxed to death here

ATV's? Im not sure, ive never been, but Im sure there are tons of places.

New communitys... everywhere!



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Old 08-20-2000, 12:05 AM   #15
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I know it's not on the list of things you've suggested, but I moved to Fort Collins, CO over a year ago, and I absolutely LOVE everything about it. It was #7 or something like that on A&E's top 10 towns in the United States to live in. (something I suggest you check out if you've this much latitude in where you're moving to)...

>1. Nice people

Definitely what Colorado's all about, and Fort Collins in particular. Like night and day compared to Napa, CA/Bay area.

>2. Nice weather (4 seasons but not alot of >winter)

Summers typically 80-90 or so, but been warmer this summer. Usually punctuated by *sweet* afternoon thunderstorms and light rain, again, absent this year.

Fort Collins gets the least of the winter around here on the front Range. Last year we had about only maybe 3 days where snow stayed on the ground past noon, but you do get some, and very nice to see the pristine snow at night falling...nice to go on a walk with a girlfriend/wife on times like this.

or spin d's in a church parking lot...depending on your orientations ;-)

>3. Decent Wages (want to buy a 3 or 4 >bedroom house thats not to expensive with >some land 2 or 3 acres)

can't speak to this specifically, but I don't imagine it'd be low at all. There's money around here in this part of the world, so I imagine jobs pay well. I just got a part time job doing computer programming starting at 20/hr, which isn't bad for a fulltime student.

>4. 30-45 mins from a MAJOR City At least

Denver's about an hour or so, Boulder about an hour (if you want to go gawk at the crazies :-)

>5. Active AutoX's close....For me

at Bandimere speedway often, and in the parking lot at Coors field...talk to Strepto about the AutoX scene here, he does quite a lot of it.

>6. place to Ride ATV's

it's Colorado...the world is your oyster. You're 2 hours from the best mountain range in the United states. Hiking, riding, biking, offroad trails, you name it...I love this place.

>7. Newer community (don't want Antique but nice)

Ft. Collins is a college town...pop is ~120K or so, but feels smaller than that. New, very clean, or it seems that way to me. Very nice, and I come from the Napa Valley (average income probably $100K...)

There's just nothing NOT to like about this town, in my opinion. you're 30 minutes from a big river/canyon for hiking and rafting etc (we tubed down the river through some class 4 rapids and got the hell beat out of us...), 2 hours from 5 of the best ski resorts in the world, 1 hour from Denver, 1 hour from Boulder, and you've got a large enough town to have almost everything you'd need right there. I don't plan on leaving for a long time.

Car emissions stuff, I think it depends. Down in Pagosa Springs where my parents are moving to, there are no emissions laws at all. Here in Ft. Collins, you do have to get an emissions test, but there's still enough of a "good ol' boy" element, that I think a 12-pack on teh driver's seat can get you by. Taking time to talk to folks and say hi goes a long way out here still, not the detached "just do it, be done yesterday" kind of feeling I get in CA.

And there's something about the attitude here, the way the weather affects your moods. Coming from a basically 2 season world to here is astonishing. I wake up and look at the sky and the clouds and am amazed that I'm living here. Driving along I-25 to Denver you've got these huge snow-capped peaks on your right, on most days you can see Long's peak way in the distance...beautiful.

Things like the Apsen in the fall, the snow falling on the way to school/work, how outdoorsy people seem...you can't help but have your spirits lifted by living here. It's been the best year of my life.

Also, and this may be as big a minus to some as it is a plus to me, but a college town can't help but have a "young", vigorous feeling to it. Still feels like a town during the summer when we're all supposed to be gone though.

As an addendum, it's a bit larger, but Colorado Springs is beautiful. The only real issue I have with it is how conservative/bigtime Christian it is. Bit stifling to my type ;-)

only downside I can come up with is that you lose 25% hp in your car :-.

I hope you're happy whereveer you decide to live.

BTW, as far as CA, it *is* nice, and there's lots of money available, but I don't think I'll live anywhere but Colorado ever again, and I've spent time in nearly all 50 states. Just me I guess. BTW, Michigan rocks in the summer! (Just learned to water ski... :-) )

Cable modem being installed next week :-)
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Old 08-20-2000, 12:41 AM   #16
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if you want to be living within 45 minutes of a major city, you should look into the upstate counties in NY. Maybe take a look at Westchester county. I believe it's around an hour to NYC, the people up there are friendly from each time I've been there, a lot of open space compared to the city. Not sure about how expensive everytthing is there, but hey, it is NY....can't get much more modern than that. The winters here in NY aren't very harsh unless you go to the very Northern parts of NY, which you probably wouldn't be interested in.
If you like museums, exhibits, entertainment, the "hustle n bustle" of a lively city, but yet want to be far enough away not to afect you everyday, but close enough to taste anytime you want, then you might wanna start looking there. You might wanna try to find a local RS owner from around there to chime in about this, let you know how the Scooby scene is there too.
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Old 08-20-2000, 12:46 AM   #17
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Well, i live right near Boston, but i have to suggest southern NH or northern MA, though you said you don't like much snow or cold right? well, if so, then nevermind. Otherwise, this place is beautiful. You've got the ocean, the mountains, and NHIS right around the corner and if you need the city life, or to catch the good ol red sox at classic fenway park (pahk), then there's no better place. I mean, of everywhere i've visited, I absolutely love Boston. And we've got nice scoobie guys, too
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Old 08-20-2000, 12:58 AM   #18
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Hey Scooby South...

I have lived for a couple of months in both the Charlotte area, and near Portland, OR... If I were to consider leaving San Diego, those are two of the areas I'd consider living... Although I'd tend towards the Portland area, since I have an affinity for the west coast.
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Old 08-20-2000, 12:58 AM   #19
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Old 08-20-2000, 07:45 AM   #20
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Well unless you want lots of snow you don;t want to live where i live, Bozeman, MT.. We start getting snow in October and we got our last snow storm te first week of June this year. . The veiws are great, the mountians are here, the pay is low, the cost of living is high.. All the rich people from Big Sky price us younger people out of the market. So most of us are forced to live in basic homes and live pay check to paycheck. Avg home cost is about $220k, avg. hourly pay is $7.75.. These numbers don't work together very well. I will be staying here for a little while longer and then moving to Portland, Seattle or Ft. Collins.

On a side note FT. Collins is a beautiful place, homes are expensive but the pay scale is higher to offset that. Nothin' like living in a East Slope town. The mountians always lok better on the east slope.

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Old 08-20-2000, 09:10 PM   #21
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Try New Mexico.

I currently live in Las Cruces, which is a nice 30-40 min drive to El Paso. Land is cheap out of town, houses are cheap everywhere, and no one hassles you about ANY car related issues.
White Sands missle range is just over the hill, and being a University town, internet related stuff is common. We get snow about every 2 yrs or so, but the mountians get some every year. Plenty of area to off road in anything.

Oh and we have 3 dragstrips and 2 road courses kinda close, with alot more in AZ. Close there is A dragstrip/roadcourse about 30-40 miles out of town. El Paso has a strip with weekly drags, but the track kinda blows.
AutoX is common in El Paso.
Albuquerque is 3hrs away but has a nice high altitude drag strip, and a newly opend road course and oval. No idea on Auto crosses there.

Northern New mexico is nice, but more expensive land/houses and more snow.

In the northern Mountains they gt infrequent but sizable storms if you like playing in snow.
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Old 08-20-2000, 09:46 PM   #22
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Damn, that description of Fort Collins by Mr. Jones has me thinking about moving there!

Hey, Digital Boy! I liked San Diego when I visited a couple summers ago. What's it like to live there?
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Old 08-20-2000, 11:27 PM   #23
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Just a quick update...
I have taken some of your suggestions...
and have gotten the Chamber of Commerce to mail me re-location packets from the following cities...

Asheville NC
Marysville Tenn
Dover Del
Dahlgen Va
Ocean City MD and Vicinity
Portland Or
Sumter SC
Greenville SC
Gladewater TX
Louisville KY

I need someone who lives in Southeast Texas to give me some info...

Thanks again guys..

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Old 08-21-2000, 01:55 AM   #24
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Old 08-21-2000, 07:44 AM   #25
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I would really suggest The Woodlands, Tx. It is a fairly new community, 35-40 min from houston. Lots of computer companies. very nice place.

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