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Old 11-21-2016, 12:29 PM   #1
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I have been struggling with the decision of whether or not I should lower my 04 wrx, being that I live in upstate NY (Albany/Saratoga). I know that I will get Swift lowering springs if the decision is made but I am super torn as to whether I would still be able to drive efficiently. The Swift springs will only drop me about a inch in front and 0.8 inches in the back so it is not drastic.

If there are any upstaters that have experience with this, please send advice. Obviously all other advice is welcomed as well!
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Old 11-21-2016, 01:00 PM   #2
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if you're going to lower it, definitely get new struts to handle the stiffer and lower ride. Swift or RCE would be great spring choices.

or put King stock height or raised height springs on there... also with improved dampers. and never again worry about going up driveways, thru snow banks, or over small children.

i've got the King standards paired to Koni's on my 08. i really love the setup. the standards raise my chassis about .25-.5" over stock, but i think they keep your chassis pretty much right at true stock height?

i picked up my Kings from here:
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Old 11-21-2016, 02:09 PM   #3
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if you're going to lower it, definitely get new struts to handle the stiffer and lower ride. Swift or RCE would be great spring choices.

or put King stock height or raised height springs on there... also with improved dampers. and never again worry about going up driveways, thru snow banks, or over small children.

i've got the King standards paired to Koni's on my 08. i really love the setup. the standards raise my chassis about .25-.5" over stock, but i think they keep your chassis pretty much right at true stock height?

i picked up my Kings from here:
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What do you suggest for the struts?
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Old 11-21-2016, 02:21 PM   #4
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What do you suggest for the struts?
I got the KYG AGX struts -- if you go with Primitive, they will preassemble the struts, springs and top hats, ready to bolt right in. I have the "stock height" springs, too, and that little extra space really helps around curbs, steep driveways, or if you drive in the snow. Here's mine:

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Old 11-21-2016, 02:47 PM   #5
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get ready to scrape into parking bumpers when you park and scrape steep ramps into parking lots
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:15 PM   #6
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What do you suggest for the struts?
well, how much do you want to spend!? hahaha

it really depends on your budget and intended use for the car. honestly, i would just pick up the telephone and have a conversation with the guys at Primitive or TurninConcepts.com to talk with them about your options.

Dave D has a sweet setup for his car. the AGX's are adjustable and pretty affordable, especially compared to other adjustable offerings. AGX's plus King's are probably the biggest bang for the buck combo.
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:25 PM   #7
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Shame you can't get a set of OTS Bilsteins for these cars, but if you have the money, I certainly wouldn't skimp on the struts. They make all the difference in the world from a ride and handling perspective.

Koni yellows (inserts) are on sale now...but they're much more expensive than the other options people are mentioning (ride a lot better too though).
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:53 PM   #8
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Default Lowering springs - to do or not do?

As an old time New Yorker now in Nor Cal, if you don't have a winter beater don't lower it.
That's my recommendation.

An inch or so lower and you will be scraping speed bumps, drive ways, parking stops, snow banks, etc.

I'm on STI wagon pinks, which is very minimal lowering and I still scape some drive ways once in a while.

If you don't have a winter beater here's my picks.
Springs:
STI take offs (Minimum drop, a true performance upgrade and SUPER CHEAP used).
King standard or raised heights (good springs, progressive and a performance upgrade).
Struts:
KYB Excel G (inexpensive, non adjustable, at their limit with these springs, good build quality).
KYB AGX (inexpensive, good build quality, very limited adjustability, good off-road capabilities as long as they are not lowered and they play well with either of these springs).
Koni inserts (not cheap, great ride quality, they don't hold up to rough/off road well, great adjustability, they work with almost any springs, you have to gut your struts to install them).
Tokico D-spec (not cheap and not easy to find, tougher than the Koni, and perhaps a wee bit better than the Koni in all other areas).
Feal struts (not cheap, they appear to be fantastic, but they are a very new product so not much info yet).

Any of the struts will work with either of the spring recommendations.

Get Group-N top hats for the front and a good alignment.

If you have a wagon you will have to correct the loss of camber if you go with the AGX or the D-Spec, as they don't have wagon specific fitments. Easy to do with slotting.
The Excel G, Koni inserts and the Feal (the Feals are actually pre-slotted) don't have these issues, but again, slotting is easy and fixes the camber issues.

For reference this is how my car looks on the pinks (same height as the STI take offs).

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Old 11-22-2016, 11:11 AM   #9
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This is great info guys! I am deciding on a setup for my 03 Wagon. I was thinking I would get Swift Wagon springs and Koni or AGXs but now I'm looking into the King stock height springs.

My 93 Legacy on H&Rs with about a 1" drop and I haven't had any issues scraping so I am not too concerned with the drop I'd get with the Swifts.
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Old 11-22-2016, 11:57 AM   #10
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This is great info guys! I am deciding on a setup for my 03 Wagon. I was thinking I would get Swift Wagon springs and Koni or AGXs but now I'm looking into the King stock height springs.

My 93 Legacy on H&Rs with about a 1" drop and I haven't had any issues scraping so I am not too concerned with the drop I'd get with the Swifts.

Love my king lift springs


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Old 11-22-2016, 09:10 PM   #11
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the bilsteins are great like point78 has. ive had my bils and rce black springs for about 5 years. its not slammed and ive driven though ny winters before i bought my daily 14 legacy. my wrx sits in crap weather these days.
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Old 11-22-2016, 11:30 PM   #12
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Love my king lift springs


Looks great! It's the perfect lift for your location when it snows. Maybe we will get some in the valley this this year. How's it handle as a DD compared to your stock setup the rest of the year?

I wouldn't mind a bit more clearance for the desert...
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Old 11-23-2016, 10:29 PM   #13
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Looks great! It's the perfect lift for your location when it snows. Maybe we will get some in the valley this this year. How's it handle as a DD compared to your stock setup the rest of the year?

I wouldn't mind a bit more clearance for the desert...
The factory suspension sucked. It was just to soft. You'd think the soft would be good on the rough best up roads, or the dirt roads, but it would bottom out to easily.

The king/gtworks is so much better on both paved & unpaved roads. I couldn't be happier with them.
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:20 AM   #14
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I went with Epic Engineering springs and KYB Excel-G struts for my daily. Works well, but then I started autocrossing....

I'd recommend STI springs. Cheap, minimal drop, but much much better handling. Struts... meh, the Excel-G work ok. I've had the AGX on another Subaru before and liked them. Overall, the Tokico D-specs or Koni's would be the much better choice. Look for those first.
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Old 11-30-2016, 04:21 PM   #15
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I have a 2015 wrx but I live in Wisconsin so I know all about the snow. I went with hks springs on my car and couldn't be happier fitment with my 18 inch rims is perfect and the car is so much more responsive and as long as your careful you wont run into scrapping issues as I lowered my car 1.2 inches and still dont scrape. Good luck

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Old 12-02-2016, 10:28 AM   #16
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I have a 2015 wrx but I live in Wisconsin so I know all about the snow. I went with hks springs on my car and couldn't be happier fitment with my 18 inch rims is perfect and the car is so much more responsive and as long as your careful you wont run into scrapping issues as I lowered my car 1.2 inches and still dont scrape. Good luck
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