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Old 06-21-2001, 09:30 AM   #1
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Default Removable Trackday Roll Cage Systems

I spotted a new product from a company in the UK, seems like a neat idea. Anybody have any more info? I apologize if this has been posted before.

The web site is http://www.performancedrivers.co.uk/


Stef on Scoobynet has one, and he seems to like it as it lets him use his back seat when he's not on track.

Anybody in the US have one of these yet? I'd like to hear an opinion on it, and how easy it was to install.
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Old 06-21-2001, 10:06 AM   #2
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I would like more info on these bars. Porter, while your over there get some literature from them for me....I'd really like one.
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Old 06-21-2001, 11:53 AM   #3
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never heard of them... this is interesting...

of course, it wont work for rally... but....

nice for you autoxers and track hounds!!

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Old 06-21-2001, 12:41 PM   #4
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myself and some other members were looking at doing somthing simmilar .... but what we ran into was the SCCA rule that mounting plates have to have 3 bolts each.... which makes it really dificult (drilling would be envolved)

would people be intersted in a non-scca leagl bolt in roll ba???

-j

there was a thread on scooby net about this... but as their search is broken as well...

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Old 06-21-2001, 02:28 PM   #5
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Check out the thread on Scoobynet where Stef is discussing his new FMIC - there's a coupla pictures of the system in there. VERY nice, but not cheap..

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Old 06-21-2001, 07:25 PM   #6
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Hi Guys, the kit is manufactured by Safety Devices (the largest manufacturer of cages in the world) under a patent held by performance drivers.

It has been developed with the drivers who participate in track days in mind and not for rally.

The big problem with cars used on track is that the protection they provide is pretty low yet the speeds are as high as any race car in a lot of cases.

People want to install full roll cages but Insurance companies wont let them do it on a road car. There is a very good reason for this. Rollcages installed in road cars when ocupied by people not wearing full harnesses and helmets are deadly. You are far more likely to suffer major injury or death from impact with the cage rather than a well designed interior trim.

What this system is designed to achieve is a quick install cage for use purely whilst you are driving on track, helmeted up and hopefully fully harnessed too. Once the track day is over you disasemble the cage, ready for use on the road again.

The guy behind the patent is a very experienced person when it comes to race tracks and also fatal car acidents. I think its a great idea for the application its being used for.

The cage has only been available a week or so, hence the lack of information.

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Old 06-22-2001, 06:31 PM   #7
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I don't know.... If it does not work for a rally then it won't do for an autoX. Don't need the weight, even on a track day. All those joints, and connection points are the weak points of the system. It's the first thing that will give in a hard collision putting a bunch of heavy loose objects inside the car with the driver....
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Chris, you dont know what you are talking about.

This has been designed and manufactured by the worlds leader in incar protection systems.

They are not going to sell something that is unsafe or detremental now are they?

Its not designed for rally because rally cars use full cages that have to meet FIA or National governing body standards that are inflexible in their nature.

If you take the time to read the FIA cage specs you will quickly see they are imposible to use in a removable design system.
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Old 06-22-2001, 11:19 PM   #9
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John,

Actually I have looked at the FIA standards and I was never suggesting that these kit get used in a rally car.

I don't feel comfortable with a collapsable roll cage, that's all. For the extra weight you might as well permently mount the roll cage as far as I am concerned. That is what I would do instead of this kit.
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Old 06-23-2001, 02:27 AM   #10
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you are missing the point of this cage entirely.

read what i wrote and why it has been made.

it isnt colapsable, its removable.
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Old 06-23-2001, 01:41 PM   #11
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HI guys.
The prototype is currently fitted in my car ready for my Ring visit next week.
Here's a picci.

As you can see, it can also come with harness mounting points and fire extinguishers.
Once the initial struts have been fitted which remain in the car, the cage can be installed/removed in about 10 mins.
As it's a relatively low-volume product, it isn't cheap. Having said that, a device which could save your life for the price of a decent exhaust? Sounds like a bargain to me.
I will certainly feel a lot safer on track now. Those of you that have seen my video will understand why.

Stef.

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Old 06-24-2001, 10:20 AM   #12
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Hi Stef, nice location for a photograph mate. LOL

See you at the ring.
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Guys,
I have a Safety Devices roll bar in my Audi. It fits beautifully with no headaches. The main hoop is intended to stay in the car...the transverse braces and harness bar (optional) bolt in easily. It's a good design, and while not anything like a competition bar, certainly provided better protection than nothing! If you see how the joints are designed they are not 'collapsible'. Added bonus--you can order just a bar, but the mountings for the complete cage are already welded on if you want to add the front hoop later.
I will agree, it should be used in concert with a proper 5-point harness system. If ordered in the correct tubing size, it is SCCA legal for Solo 1 or 2.
I bought mine through http://www.Stable-Energies.com. You may have to wait a few months to get it since they are shipped via container from England in bulk orders.
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Old 06-25-2001, 01:26 PM   #14
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This is not the same thing you have in your Audi NotAnRS.

This cage is a completely new concept of design and is purely for track day type cars, it is never intended to be added to with a front cage etc.

It is designed to be very quick install and removal, like 10 minutes!
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Old 06-25-2001, 10:49 PM   #15
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I stand corrected.
In looking at your image, I see there is a significant design difference in the bolt-together connections.
Sorry. I'll go back to sleep now
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