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Old 01-22-2005, 03:16 PM   #1
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Default Subaru snow driving tips for n00bs and everyone!

Tip #1 and the most important

YOU ARE NOT INVINCIBLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MIGHTY AWD!!

2. AWD only enhances traction on acceleration

- AWD does not enhance braking distance
- AWD does not enhance turning

The only time AWD helps is when you foot is on the GAS!

AWD golden rule, if you find yourself in trouble GAS GAS GAS, touch the brakes and your done.

Subarus dont have mighty powers they turn and brake the same as any car.

Subarus tend to turn in the snow like a front wheel drive car, push push also known as understeer, you can not turn in at 20 mph in the snow and expect the car to snap into action, it will push right out to the apex and not turn. Usually putting you into a curb.

Subarus steer out of turns much like RWD cars. The back end will slide out just like a RWD car, the tip is to keep you foot on the gas because the front wheels will pull the car out of the slide into its proper path.

Always turn in slow and accelerate out, the more you accelerate out of the more oversteer you will get and the more you will have to coutersteer to keep the car inline.

That said, all inputs to the vehicle, GAS, STEERING and BRAKING should all be done in a smooth manner not modular, ON/OFF will get you in trouble real fast.

ALWAYS look where you want the car to go not what the car is sliding towards. If you are looking at the curb while the car is sliding towards it you are going to hit it, because your hands follow your eyes. Always look where you want the car to go no matter what!

Keep your eyes on the road at all times, do not fiddle with the radio or heater controls, do that when you are stopped. One glance down can spell disaster.

Keep a good following distance as we already learned above, AWD does not enhance stopping distance.

Make sure the tool behind you isnt following to close either, and if he/she is pull over and let them pass.

Most of all be safe and have fun, keep it controled and out of the ditches, stay away from heavily traveled roads and parked cars.

Watch out for hidden curbs in parking lots you are unfamiliar with.

Everyone be safe and enjoy the winter wonderland

OH and if you have all seasons, stay off the road!!!

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Old 01-22-2005, 03:24 PM   #2
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great advice, thank you...all i know is u definitely still need plenty of room to stop!!!!!!
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Old 01-22-2005, 03:31 PM   #3
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Extra emphasis on the turn-in push and the exit oversteer. They will catch you off guard if you're not careful. And allow for some extra braking distance, the Subaru ABS is a touchy little thing.

Good Luck out there...

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Old 01-22-2005, 03:39 PM   #4
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very well said
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Old 01-22-2005, 03:50 PM   #5
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I'm about to leave from Cherry Hill area to Margate (over an hour drive)...in my CIVIC!!! Gonna take it VERY easy, and hope/assume that the AC expressway/GSP are well plowed.
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Old 01-22-2005, 03:53 PM   #6
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Nice thread McDade!
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Old 01-22-2005, 03:56 PM   #7
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good idea for a thread, but i've gotten through every snowstorm and blizzard with ease on my all season continental contiextreme contacts with a z rating and 17 inches.
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Old 01-22-2005, 04:03 PM   #8
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Jay that's great advice. I'd just add to stay home if you have a Volvo though hahahahahah. I'm still pissed that I had to drive today.

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The all season comment was mainly for this blizzard, they will work but I wouldnt trust them in this amount off snow, especially if your going out to play You just have to be that much more cautious with all seasons.

I added another tip about steering braking acceleration inputs. They should all be done in a smooth consistant manner. No ON/OFF movents and jerky steering, try be as smooth as possible with all inputs.

These are all things that I have learned myself through driving in subarus in the snow, driving schools etc, if anyone can think of anything else to add by all means, but I think Ive covered all the basics. I wish there was something like this out there for me when I first started driving.

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Old 01-22-2005, 04:05 PM   #10
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good call mcdade.

I guess I shouldnt go out with the RE-70's on the sit?
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Old 01-22-2005, 04:23 PM   #11
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Good post McDade. I was out for a few and experienced all you have pointed out. It was a fun drive. One thing I di notice was that with the AS tires I have ABS is alot better than with the RE92's that were on there. It cycled great and didn't loose the pedal at all. Be safe out there everyone and HAPPY DRIFTING !!!!!!

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Old 01-22-2005, 04:32 PM   #12
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Heh..wish I read this before I left for work..I just went out there, did pretty well..about 90% of the time , but I did get into a little skid and got sort of close to a curb but I turned into it and recovered. I don't have a lsd on my car so the traction isn't quite as good as the newer subbies.
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Old 01-22-2005, 04:41 PM   #13
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Good stuff Jay, told something i didnt no. Thanks
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Old 01-22-2005, 04:48 PM   #14
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yeah, good write up. do have to remember that awd steers better when on the gas.
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Old 01-22-2005, 04:57 PM   #15
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Yes good point, Subies that have a rear LSD, will respong alot quicker with oversteer so you have to be ready for it. NON-lsd cars still oversteer but not as much, wich is also not as fun

Just glad I could help with the posting.

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Old 01-22-2005, 04:58 PM   #16
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time to see how the bald advans perform in a blizzard. lmfao


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Old 01-22-2005, 05:37 PM   #17
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I have to agree with the all season tire comment. Mine were great in the little snow we had earlier this week. BUt i was just out for a little bit and found myself wishing i woul dhave bought a set of winter tires. Granted, the proxes 4's are much better than the RE's but in this weather only snow tires will do.

That is some great advice though. Unfortunatley most of our population will never get to read it. I love driving in the snow, but other drivers really scare me. people dont seem to be able to grasp the concept of breaking distance. I always leave pleanty of room in front of me so i dont plow into the person ahead of me. The whole way home i had this woman in an explorer riding my ass tring to get me to close the gap on the car ahead of me. I was gettign so mad and there really is nothing i could do. I wanted to just slam on my breaks and let her slam into me but that would have caused a much bigger mess that would not be worth dealing with. I say just stay home until late night when all the idiots are asleep and we can all go out and have fun.
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Very good post Jay -- only comment I have is to beware of TTO (trailing throttle oversteer). If you get scared mid-corner and you backoff too quickly your weight will transfer to the front of the car causing the rear to kickout. The answer as Jay said -- Gas Gas Gas...

I just ran out to get a cup of coffee and test the roads and they were pretty bad, as usual I'm far more scared of soccer moms in excursions then my own driving, but use caution (and your brains) on the roads...
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^ beware the soccer moms...there were a few in SUVs and giant RAM pickups who came charging through while my lowly subbie just cruised along safely.
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:09 PM   #20
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Yea im still at home waiting for the tools to get off the road so I can play. Even when I was out before I took my beater legacy, it was still alot of fun but the clutch slips

I will say I bought some wintermaster tires from tirerack for 40 bucks each (185/75/14) They perform really well for the legacy's power.

I have mich pilot alpins on the RS but the turbo is just to much for them ahah

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i think i'm in lock down. my parents are freaking and thing life will end if i go out tongiht. GAY!
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i think i'm in lock down. my parents are freaking and thing life will end if i go out tongiht. GAY!
how old are you?
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who's roof do i live under?
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i think i'm in lock down. my parents are freaking and thing life will end if i go out tongiht. GAY!
me too.......

and my dad thinks my car wont go anywhere with the tires on it.


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MOVE OUT BIATCH!
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yeah really!
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you got $1500/month for a place for me

hehe take your dad's vette, should be fine.
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Good post McDade! I have four scoobies that are dying to get out in this snow. I do have a set of snow tired but work didn't permit me to get it on one of the XT6s. You are so right about the All Season tire comment. I trust the AWD but this type and amount of snow is only calling for snow tires. I'm staying at home with the family unless it's absolutely a must I HAVE to go out and drive. This duty will go to the Outback Sport. My other two AWD/FTWDs are O/S due to work being done.
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For some reason reading Mike's post George from Seinfeld popped into my head.....or was that my low beer light.....

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OH and if you have all seasons, stay off the road!!!
Hey you shut your mouth about htat Jay!!! I don't want you to ever speak badly about my neros
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For some reason reading Mike's post George from Seinfeld popped into my head.....or was that my low beer light.....

ShaneV

ugh normally i don't mind living at home. my parents are generally cool. come and go as i please but my mom has her tits on a twist over i dont know what. like if i go out i'll get frost bite and die.
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im out of here.

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ugh normally i don't mind living at home. my parents are generally cool. come and go as i please but my mom has her tits on a twist over i dont know what. like if i go out i'll get frost bite and die.
Seriously.... I call up two of my friends to see if they wanna go out, but they're moms say "nooooo, its dangerous, and you'll die." Sucks... cause now I have nothing to do, so Im sitting at home on Nasioc instead of drifting in the local HS parking lot...
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see my problem is i'm battling irrationallity.

mom: you'll get into an accident.
me: no mom we drive slow and carefully.

mom: but other people dont.
me: no mom we're going out late tonight.

mom: but that's when its supposed to get cold and the wind chill will be -10.
me: no mom i'll be in a car all night, its called heat.

mom: but you'll get into an accident.

ad nausium...
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^^^ me too..... to Apex post
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excellent thread jay, but u forgot Subaru ABS sucks BAAAAADDDDD!!!. i seriously think its not made for small/lighter wheels.

everyone stay safe tonight. at a minimum, play safe!
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see my problem is i'm battling irrationallity.

mom: you'll get into an accident.
me: no mom we drive slow and carefully.

mom: but other people dont.
me: no mom we're going out late tonight.

mom: but that's when its supposed to get cold and the wind chill will be -10.
me: no mom i'll be in a car all night, its called heat.

mom: but you'll get into an accident.

ad nausium...
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excellent thread jay, but u forgot Subaru ABS sucks BAAAAADDDDD!!!. i seriously think its not made for small/lighter wheels.

everyone stay safe tonight. at a minimum, play safe!
Actually my ABS worked really well tonight very predictable
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yeah i think that the abs is great in the snow and rain.. its when your on dry pavement and hit a bump and it goes on for no reason , thats when it sucks.. now the snow is to high in the lots it will just rub under the car.
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All I'm going to say is that I was able to traverse roads that had 3 feet snowdrifts that other cars got stuck in. No problems at all. I even got out of my car to help someone. If you drive smart in the snow, you shouldn't get stuck - as I saw people in FWD and RWD cars do. This is my first blizzard (Florida boy), and so far, no problems. I love driving in the snow with my RE92s.

BTW, for those of you watching the news. Those live trucks can navigate the snow very well. The generator and associated equipment weigh down the back end, and instant traction. I was making people look twice while I drove w/ no problems in that behemoth.
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HAHAHA!!! the latest update.

me: mom you know my 19 year old friend is going out, my 22 year old friend is going out. you realize i'm 24 and this is bull-ish.
mom: fine, but i'm not changing your diapers if you get paralized.
me: sweet! diapers! i won't have to get up to pee anymore!
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good idea for a thread, but i've gotten through every snowstorm and blizzard with ease on my all season continental contiextreme contacts with a z rating and 17 inches.
I have the same tires but my tread was real low, almost bald. I would have been SOL had I kept them on. Luckily for me, I put my Hakka Q's back on and everything was nice and easy.

There's nothing better than beating a Ford Expedition from a red light in fresh snow. He wanted to pass me earlier but couldn't do it. Suckkkkkkker!!!!
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All I'm going to say is that I was able to traverse roads that had 3 feet snowdrifts that other cars got stuck in. No problems at all. I even got out of my car to help someone. If you drive smart in the snow, you shouldn't get stuck - as I saw people in FWD and RWD cars do. This is my first blizzard (Florida boy), and so far, no problems. I love driving in the snow with my RE92s.

BTW, for those of you watching the news. Those live trucks can navigate the snow very well. The generator and associated equipment weigh down the back end, and instant traction. I was making people look twice while I drove w/ no problems in that behemoth.
Dude!! Let's do a live up date with some drifting scoobies in the background
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yeah i think that the abs is great in the snow and rain.. its when your on dry pavement and hit a bump and it goes on for no reason , thats when it sucks.. now the snow is to high in the lots it will just rub under the car.
I really don't have that issue anymore, I switched out tires and upped rim size to 17's and I very rarely get ABS activation on bumpy dry roads... maybe I have a flukey car???
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you might want to mention not to stay in full-lock when youre doing parkinglot donuts.. it will kill your power stearing
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Old 01-22-2005, 10:36 PM   #47
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Surprised no one mentioned the old clutch/parking brake trick to get the car to rotate into the corner. Also, I'm using the old RE92's for winter tires so I take the ABS fuse out for the winter. In snow I have much more confidence in my right foot than in overactive ABS.
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Old 01-22-2005, 11:26 PM   #48
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HAHAHA!!! the latest update.

me: mom you know my 19 year old friend is going out, my 22 year old friend is going out. you realize i'm 24 and this is bull-ish.
mom: fine, but i'm not changing your diapers if you get paralized.
me: sweet! diapers! i won't have to get up to pee anymore!


My proxes4 held up pretty good....it's those ppl that wanna take this 3 lane blvd and wanna drive on either side of me that scares the crap outta me...

I mean really...all this snow and two cars side by side....is that really necessary...

Can't wait till it gets late....
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Old 01-23-2005, 01:13 PM   #49
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Good job Jay!

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Old 01-23-2005, 01:42 PM   #50
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see my problem is i'm battling irrationallity.

mom: you'll get into an accident.
me: no mom we drive slow and carefully.

mom: but other people dont.
me: no mom we're going out late tonight.

mom: but that's when its supposed to get cold and the wind chill will be -10.
me: no mom i'll be in a car all night, its called heat.

mom: but you'll get into an accident.

ad nausium...
I got the same speech.

I still went out. I'm paying for it now.
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