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Old 05-16-2005, 02:15 PM   #1
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Default Calling all coilover owners for help on strange problem with my JIC's.

As the title says I have a strange problem with my coilovers. I own the jic FLTA-2 with 7kg frount and 6kg rear with helper springs. My Left frount CV joint boot has come off and the dealership claims it is due to the coilover interfering with the boot. I explaned to them that it is the top portion of the strut that moves up and down and that this boot was resently changed at 9000miles because of a a dumb rope that I picked up on the freeway that some how got cought and wraped around the boot and cut into it.
I Then was told the boot is not covered but after calling 1 800 subaru 3 I was told it was. I then had them show me it on the lift but the could not duplicate the interference problem. The subaru rep from subaru usa so the car and he told them just to not cover it.
I am more woried about this so called interference with the boot and don't truly care if they cover it under warranty or not.
I was most intrestingly first told that it was my swaybar being the problem ( have the cobb frount and rear) but it was proven not to be true. The sway bar is more than a inch away at all angles.
I assume the first boot was not secured well by Valley dodge subaru and thus the problem started.

As a side note my fround bumper and v limited lip was destroyed by valley dodge subaru when the ran the car into the back of the alignment machine. They did replace it but they now refuse to sevice my car now.
The dealership it is at now (silver star mazda subaru)crashed my car into the curb. Aparently when the subaru rep and the mechanic parked the car after a test drive or after took it off the lift, they ran the car into the curb destroying the v limited lip again.
After talking to Mark ,the sevice manager, he has promised to replace the parts damaged, I have yet to recieve paperwork for this but Mark is a very respectable manager so i am sure It will get fixed

I still worry about my boot and strut! I wonder if anyone else has had this issue with coilovers? I have my car aproximatly 1 inch lower than stock all around and my frount camber is at 1 deg.

I just got a call from Mark at the dealership, the ar having difficulty locating my spoiler but he is hand writing in the repair and order of the part and he will sign it too. I wonder why they wont type it up on an order sheet?

O' well anyone have a how to on how to change a cv joint boot?

I should have done it myself in the firt place and probably would not have this whole issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pics here Ihave the tire on a jack to push the wheel to the point of touching the inner fender liner and the strut is on the bump stop in these shots, plenty of room, almost haf an inch!
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Old 05-16-2005, 03:58 PM   #2
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Anyone? out there?
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Old 05-16-2005, 04:18 PM   #3
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How low is your car?
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Old 05-16-2005, 04:45 PM   #4
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This has been posted before and the issue was too low lowering......more than an inch.
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Old 05-16-2005, 08:46 PM   #5
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My car is 1 inch lower than a stock sti. I actually was far lower when I had the tein stech springs on the car for a very short time. My problem I have is I cannot duplicate the interference even when i remove the spring and colapse the strut! I even showed this to subaru.
I was told that it is a common issue with all coilovers and that is why I have the problem. Can anyone claify why with only coilovers? Has anyone else had this issue?
Any links?
I need some help also finding a how to on how to remove the old boot and replace the new one. I am sure it is easy but directions are always better.
I am scratching my head because even my old vw and my wifes subaru has never had this much trouble even with all the modificatios they have. I am black listed from the dealerships aparently because I called the Better Business B... on them after fighting over the damages that the caused to my car the first time the boot had a problem. In the end they fixed it. Now I can see maybe they did not fix it correctly? Even with the boot poped off the car has no grease slung anywhere. (they never put grease in the boot and on the cv joint!)
The car was stock back then by the way. I wonder if my axle is still good or if It is the root of the problem.
Any suggestions? I can tak a pic if it helps.
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Old 05-17-2005, 04:21 AM   #6
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yes, take pics of the distance between the bottom of the strut and the CV joint.
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Old 05-17-2005, 09:25 AM   #7
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My dealership pretty much told me the same thing. I, too, had a CV boot go bad on the outer left front. Don't know what damaged it cuz the car only had 3000 miles on it at the time. There were small cuts in the boot, which was NOT from the my Cusco coilovers. When I took it in to the dealer, they fixed it, but told me that any other "suspension" related part would no longer be under warranty as long as the coilovers are on the car. That inlcudes CVs, Boots, Bearings, Hubs, basically the works.

Here's the funny part. After I got the car back, I drove it for 3 weeks and the boot they replaced started leaking! It wasn't bad, but enough to bother me. It wasn't damaged or anything. It just looked like it wasn't attached properly to the axle. When I took it in again, I was expecting the worst. Like they wouldn't replace it. Well, they did and were happy to replace it.

I can understand them saying the boot can touch the bottom of the coilover, but that is only when it is slammed. When it's slammed, the bottom of the coilover body will be too close and potentially contact the boot at any decent rate of suspension travel. If you can't duplicate the issue with a tech and a Subaru rep in front of you, then I don't understand their problem with replacing the part.

Changing a CV boot isn't rocket science. You end up taking the CV out of the car. The manuals I have, which are genuine Subaru manuals, actually tell you to disassemble the axle to remove the boot and install the new one. Then pack it with grease, put the bands on, then throw it back in the car. Subaru has "boot kits" to fix these.
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Old 05-17-2005, 10:49 AM   #8
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might as well change the whole axle, a used one would be cheaper and WAY easier to replace than just the boot
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Old 05-17-2005, 04:47 PM   #9
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Anyone have a location in Van Nuys where the get used subaru parts(bone yard)
I think I will get an axle just to be safe.
Arni -- I will snap some shots this week around Wed. not a problem.
Schreff-- The rep had never realy talked to me yet dispite a few messages to him and 1800subaru3 but no acual reason direct from him.
Schreff -Would you be kind enough to e mail or PM me some copies of how to change the frount axle or maybe let me know where you got the manual so I can buy one. I also need to change the wifes 02 wrx wagon right rear wheel bearing. It is making some bad noises and i have had such bad luck with the care of my cars at the dealership I would rather do it myself.
Anyone else have any Ideas or comments?
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Old 05-17-2005, 05:17 PM   #10
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Just as a heads up - Big Valley is the absolute worst for service in LA, probably followed by Santa Monica. Several of us have had serious issue with Thousand Oaks as well. When it comes to warranty work we're pretty much screwed out here.
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Old 05-17-2005, 05:21 PM   #11
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Arnie, what about West End?
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:17 PM   #12
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for alignments and installs they are tops. but they don't do warranty work on a subaru. if you are past warranty and just looking for a good shop then, aerosym or suby specialties. if you are looking for suspension installs on the cheap, come to slvrwgn and i up in chatsworth.
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Old 05-19-2005, 12:39 AM   #13
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Thank you arnie. Unfortunatly I have learned this first hand.
I live right near Chatsworth where sould I go then? Pm me please.
I have some lateral links and trailing arms to install From jic and can use the help if the service is good I can care less if my warenty is up or not I will pay just to ensure my cars are cared for properly and not Mickey Mouse'd up! I would rather do it myself but I am usualy watching my 22 month old boy when I am off work. Working on the car has become difficult at best...
I did find SPT has a web site that can give me sevice manuals to download but it is 34.xx for 72 hrs of access, ouch!
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Old 05-21-2005, 02:53 PM   #14
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I just added pics to the first post. Please help if you have any suggestions?
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pics dont work
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West- slvrwgn and i can install just about any suspension component you need for a cash donation to the tool fund and lunch. We worked on 4 cars yesterday. Ask around, many satisfied "customers". And slvrwgn's garage is in chatsworth. You can kick back with you baby in the shade while we rip, er, work on your car.
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Old 05-24-2005, 03:04 PM   #17
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Sweet, pm me with wher to go Im thinking of modifying the trailing arms so the work with my current swaybar. To bad JIC customer sevice sucks so bad, they told me they would fit with no modification, dead wrong. Unless I change my rear swaybar to
an older model. Good thing I can weld!
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West - Link or pic to the JIC lateral links and trailing arms? I'm curious as to what the swaybar issue might be. There might be another solution before you break out the welder!

Better yet, come out the the wed. SFV meets. There is a thread in the Socal forum. Its over on Tampa, south of the Northridge mall, ca. 9pm. We can take a rough look at the car then. Bring your lateral links as well and we can see how they might hook up with your bar.
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I would be glad to come out and see you guys but I am at work till 11pm this week. Is there a meet every Wednesday because I never knew this!

I will add som pics as soon as I fix my original ones, not sure what happened
there but give me time i am at work.
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(maybe I can get off early Wed.....?)
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The lower set is wher my issue is. the braket is what is found on the 2003 and older style cars and uses a asymetrical bend on the passenger side to give room for the gas tank filler neck. The bracket is supposed to hag down and a "u" link connects this to the sway bar.
Like this
The factory ones on my car ar straight and site about 1in closer to the tire.
If you nead a link to the pics that ar not showing above look below!
http://public.fotki.com/wespackage/my_cars/
For now I am stuck driving this
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Wes - wed meets are every wed. Its been going on at this location for about a year now. We are definitley still hanging out at 11pm if you feel like swinging by for nightcap!

I think you can still use those lateral links if you do use the Poltec endlink assembly. I think you might be able to use it. I'll have to check out vikingmoose's car. I think he is using them.
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I could not fix the pics so I added a link.
Thanks for everyone being so kind. I am now100% sure it was du to the install at valley dodge subaru and the poor non factory bands they used!
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Old 05-31-2005, 09:16 PM   #23
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Just today the factory style cv boot bands and boot came in!
They ordered the wrong one the first time and I had to send it back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cant believe that it can always be this bad every time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I also made them order the frount lip since they were siting on ther hands about this too...........
man I know I could make a killing if I opened a subaru service center in the valley.
By the way it took me all but ten minutes to get the axle out and all apart.
Sooooooo easy. it took me longer to get the wheel of than the actual work.
These cars are like lego sets, very simple. It is hard to believe the dealership guys can take an entire day to do this......

Thank you guys and It was nice to meet up with you guys last wed. even if I didn't drive the subaru. hope you all liked my bug.
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