which alky injection system

wrx904 · 01-24-2006, 11:03 PM

SMC or Aquamist, the smc is $499 and the aquamist is $525. My car right now is stage 4 with a super 16G turbo, in 2 weeks I am going to have one of these systems installed with a TurboXS FMIC and a new tune. I like how the smc come with a small tank so I could still clean my windsheild but I have heard good things about Aquamist however I will have to buy a sti water tank to go in my trunk which means more money. I plan to run a 50/50 mix with either injection system I get.

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garie · 01-25-2006, 05:22 AM

make your own kit with different parts.

shurflo pump, a cooling mist or snowperformance controller, aquamist jets, tubing etc. You can add a pressure gauge to see whats going on if you want too.

I actually just bought a used aquamist 2d on ebay......I am going to have to sell all the injection parts I bought previously and will be putting them f/s soon.

BVM · 01-25-2006, 06:44 AM

Yesterday I researched alot of old threads about water/alcy injection. One thing that really stood out was a post from SMC saying that you should NOT run water through his pump. He stated he had different pumps for water.

Oh yeah, ImportImage has the SMC kit for $450 shipped in the vendors section.

00Maddog · 01-25-2006, 07:10 AM

search the alaska forum for info on the smc kit, we have a lot of guys using it up here, with good results.

smcs original pumps could not use water mixes, and needed lube in the alcohol. pumps that can use water were available for more $$. newer kits have redesigned pumps that can use water mixes, and don't need lube. so it depends on the date of the kit.

smcs controller is pretty nice too.

here's some info...
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc
good luck.

BVM · 01-25-2006, 07:27 AM

Good to know.

ryanpietro · 01-25-2006, 07:46 AM

alcohol injection can destroy your motor if the system fails such as the bump, or line gets cloged, or run out of alcohol. make sure to maintain it as well. get the best of the best. thats all i have to say. hint hint top of the line aquamist. even tho i never heard of smc failing.

TheMadScientist · 01-25-2006, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanpietro

alcohol injection can destroy your motor if the system fails such as the bump, or line gets cloged, or run out of alcohol. make sure to maintain it as well. get the best of the best. thats all i have to say. hint hint top of the line aquamist. even tho i never heard of smc failing.

Are you talking from personal experience?

I ran out of mix a couple of weeks ago. WOT on a 20G@20psi, stock injectors and the motor leaned out to ~13.6:1. Hmm....EGT skyrocketed, knock corection went way negtive and I let off the throttle.

MY MOTOR DID NOT GO BOOM.

If you have the right gauges on the car you will KNOW when sometthing is wrong. Just keep an eye on things and don't keep your foot in it when you see strange reading on your gauges. You do have gauges right? Any car modded with tuning should have gauges.

TMS

BVM · 01-25-2006, 08:21 AM

Well said TMS

Paul · 01-25-2006, 08:30 AM

yea, as long as you don't run out on a 4th or 5th gear pull you should be fine.

TheMadScientist · 01-25-2006, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVM

Well said TMS

It just bugs me to see people spend money on something that is not really needed. The turbo Buicks and DSM's have been running WI for YEARS and you don't see blown motors from failed systems all over the place. You might be able to find one or two, but most of the broken motors are from the WI siphoning into the intake and hydro locking the motor.
If it makes YOU (in genral) feel better that there is a failsafe, great buy a kit that has it. But IMO it is not needed if you are aware of what is happening under the hood.

The "Ohhhh no5es what happens if the WI fails" panic threads are just over hyped by manufatures and people that have never used WI.
I only have ~1 year of tuning and dealing with WI so my opinion might change in the future. But I don't think so.

TMS

wrx904 · 01-25-2006, 08:45 AM

I was planning on getting the EcuTEK dash display also. The SMC said that it can run a 50/50 mix, so do you think that it can run just water. I don't want to run a 50/50 mix all the time. Also, how long would there 1 gal tank last on a everyday driver.

BVM · 01-25-2006, 09:37 AM

I have ECUTEK so 2 maps isn't the easiest or cheapest method for tuning with WI. If I was the only one driving the car I wouldn't worry. I know the wife doesn't drive the car hard at all but it will always bug me if I don't have some form of fail safe. I was looking at the a kit from coolingmist or snow performance (I cant remember which one) that has an optional fail safe.

The spec c reservoir looks nice and sneaky!

RST-8780 Impreza GD $161

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Large 12 liter capacity water spray tank assembly fits conveniently behind the rear seat. Includes mounting brackets, pump, and level switch. Allows for extended usage of the water spray system.

wrx904 · 01-25-2006, 09:48 AM

How do you have your tune setup, is the alky tuned on both maps. I have 2 maps also but I have for got how to switch them.

BVM · 01-25-2006, 09:58 AM

Do you mean the ECUTEK map switch? If so its press the rear defog at WOT

wrx904 · 01-25-2006, 10:16 AM

cool I thought it was the fog light switch. I think I am going to get the aquamist starter kit, aquamist dash display 2, and the spec c reservoir.

xcntrk75 · 01-25-2006, 10:39 AM

I have the SMC system and love it! The odds of the sureflow pump failing with the SMC system are the same as your stock pump failing under WOT (happens all the time right

). As for lines getting plugged, what kind of crap would you have to dump in your reservoir which would get past the permanent filter in the washer tank and plug the line or nozzle. It’s just not likely unless you have no regard for the health of your system. The SMC kit also uses brass and crimped reinforced fuel injection line for the smaller connections, and a steel-braided line for the pressurized spray portion of the system. The newer revs also include a check-valve at the spray nozzle to help retain line pressure while the system is not in use.

One thing to note with whichever system you choose, make sure you stick to the same blend of water/alcohol which you get tuned with. Most tuners consider alky maps an alternative fuel and charge respectively for each map based on the blend. That said it gets expensive to have more then one alky map.

PS: Never used the aquamist kit and cannot comment…

wrx904 · 01-25-2006, 10:44 AM

^^^^^ but could you run just water in the SMC kit, I don't want to run akly all the time because that would get $$$$.

sonic rx · 01-25-2006, 10:56 AM

anyone install any of these with a fmic ? i have a coolingmist kit,and i am unsure of where to put the injector. the piping for the fmic is very thin . my fmic is an aps dr 725 . any ideas or pictures would help out . thanks in advance

japslapr · 01-25-2006, 11:04 AM

I used this system:

http://www.devilsownonline.com/alcoh...products_id=12

Works great and I know the guy. He'll do anything to help. Very Smart, cool guy.

BVM · 01-25-2006, 11:13 AM

I have a FMIC and my boss and I have already picked out a bung to weld on the bottom side of the FMIC piping. Problem solved but good catch. Most wouldn't of though of that until they went to install the nozzle.

ryanpietro · 01-25-2006, 11:19 AM

i have a fully forged motor im getting aquamist with the failsafe features hooked up to hydra. so im worried about buying another shortblock. quirt crawford, and phil from element both told me alch injection is great but make sure it doesnt mess up because it could very easily destroy the motor.

TheMadScientist · 01-25-2006, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by japslapr

I used this system:

http://www.devilsownonline.com/alcoh...products_id=12

Works great and I know the guy. He'll do anything to help. Very Smart, cool guy.

Stay away if you ever plan on removing power from the control unit.

TMS

rocket468 · 01-25-2006, 03:53 PM

TheMadScientist what was your problem with the controller? We have sold 100's of these. And only had a handfull break. But we do provide a year warrenty to cover things for you. If you have any problems with it let me know and i will fix it. Removing the unit from power should not do anything to it or the car. We have the best controller on the market but we don't have a zero falure rate with them just like everyone else. Things do break. But if its broke i will fix it.

TheMadScientist · 01-25-2006, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocket468

TheMadScientist what was your problem with the controller? We have sold 100's of these. And only had a handfull break. But we do provide a year warrenty to cover things for you. If you have any problems with it let me know and i will fix it. Removing the unit from power should not do anything to it or the car. We have the best controller on the market but we don't have a zero falure rate with them just like everyone else. Things do break. But if its broke i will fix it.

I have been through this a long time ago. I was pretty much blown off after 37 emails back and forth. I gave up and fixxed it my self.
When you leave the controler hooked up to the MAP line and remove power. IT CLAMPS THE MAP. I have a work around that I have been using since I found out about this and was blown off by devilsown.
I was one of the first people to install that kit on an Sti. I set it all up and the nozle was way too small. When I asked about a bigger jet this is what I got: "Even 350hp SRT-4 run a M5 nozzle.". Well now I have an M10 @180psi and it is just enough. When ever I had a problem it was all my fault the reason the controller would clamp the MAP @1.2psi according to devilsown. He blamed my install for everything even the fact that he sent a jet that is way to small.

IT CLAMPS THE MAP.
IT CLAMPS THE MAP.
IT CLAMPS THE MAP.
IT CLAMPS THE MAP.
IT CLAMPS THE MAP.

I will never recomend anyone to use that POS kit or the manufacturer.

TMS

Ultimate Collision Center · 01-25-2006, 07:22 PM

I run the SMC kit and swear by it, if anyone has any questions feel free to pm me or im me about it.

01-24-2006, 11:03 PM	#1
wrx904 Scooby Specialist Member#: 97365 Join Date: Oct 2005 Vehicle: 2015 Mustang PP SC silver	which alky injection system SMC or Aquamist, the smc is $499 and the aquamist is $525. My car right now is stage 4 with a super 16G turbo, in 2 weeks I am going to have one of these systems installed with a TurboXS FMIC and a new tune. I like how the smc come with a small tank so I could still clean my windsheild but I have heard good things about Aquamist however I will have to buy a sti water tank to go in my trunk which means more money. I plan to run a 50/50 mix with either injection system I get. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

01-25-2006, 10:39 AM	#16
xcntrk75 Scooby Specialist Member#: 60224 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: NOVA	I have the SMC system and love it! The odds of the sureflow pump failing with the SMC system are the same as your stock pump failing under WOT (happens all the time right ). As for lines getting plugged, what kind of crap would you have to dump in your reservoir which would get past the permanent filter in the washer tank and plug the line or nozzle. It’s just not likely unless you have no regard for the health of your system. The SMC kit also uses brass and crimped reinforced fuel injection line for the smaller connections, and a steel-braided line for the pressurized spray portion of the system. The newer revs also include a check-valve at the spray nozzle to help retain line pressure while the system is not in use. One thing to note with whichever system you choose, make sure you stick to the same blend of water/alcohol which you get tuned with. Most tuners consider alky maps an alternative fuel and charge respectively for each map based on the blend. That said it gets expensive to have more then one alky map. PS: Never used the aquamist kit and cannot comment… Last edited by xcntrk75; 01-25-2006 at 10:46 AM.

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00Maddog Scooby Specialist Member#: 62410 Join Date: May 2004 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: its bristol baby Vehicle: 2004 wrx w/o engine psm/carbon	search the alaska forum for info on the smc kit, we have a lot of guys using it up here, with good results. smcs original pumps could not use water mixes, and needed lube in the alcohol. pumps that can use water were available for more $$. newer kits have redesigned pumps that can use water mixes, and don't need lube. so it depends on the date of the kit. smcs controller is pretty nice too. here's some info... http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=smc good luck.

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BVM Scooby Specialist Member#: 41049 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Panama City FL (Tyndall AFB) Vehicle: 2010 Impreza WRX KTM 250sx	Good to know.

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ryanpietro * Banned * Member#: 101803 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Las Vegas Vehicle: 2005 gt35r sti blue	alcohol injection can destroy your motor if the system fails such as the bump, or line gets cloged, or run out of alcohol. make sure to maintain it as well. get the best of the best. thats all i have to say. hint hint top of the line aquamist. even tho i never heard of smc failing.

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BVM Scooby Specialist Member#: 41049 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Panama City FL (Tyndall AFB) Vehicle: 2010 Impreza WRX KTM 250sx	Do you mean the ECUTEK map switch? If so its press the rear defog at WOT

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BVM Scooby Specialist Member#: 41049 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Panama City FL (Tyndall AFB) Vehicle: 2010 Impreza WRX KTM 250sx	I have a FMIC and my boss and I have already picked out a bung to weld on the bottom side of the FMIC piping. Problem solved but good catch. Most wouldn't of though of that until they went to install the nozzle.

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ryanpietro * Banned * Member#: 101803 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Las Vegas Vehicle: 2005 gt35r sti blue	i have a fully forged motor im getting aquamist with the failsafe features hooked up to hydra. so im worried about buying another shortblock. quirt crawford, and phil from element both told me alch injection is great but make sure it doesnt mess up because it could very easily destroy the motor.

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rocket468 Scooby Newbie Member#: 105959 Join Date: Jan 2006	TheMadScientist what was your problem with the controller? We have sold 100's of these. And only had a handfull break. But we do provide a year warrenty to cover things for you. If you have any problems with it let me know and i will fix it. Removing the unit from power should not do anything to it or the car. We have the best controller on the market but we don't have a zero falure rate with them just like everyone else. Things do break. But if its broke i will fix it.

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Ultimate Collision Center Former Vendor Member#: 69072 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Peekskill	I run the SMC kit and swear by it, if anyone has any questions feel free to pm me or im me about it.