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Old 11-16-2000, 10:59 AM   #1
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Post 1st time in snow - ABS

OK, so we finally got some snow here in Minnesota. I managed to find an empty parking lot to let loose in my GT. My first impression: this thing likes to do donuts big time, but what fun! Later, I found some ice so I wanted to test out the ABS. I have never had ABS before (or AWD for that matter). What is ABS supposed to feel like? I was on the brakes pretty hard and it felt like things were breaking. There was a vibration from the peddle, very fast like a buzzer, and what sounded like a crunching sound. None of the idiot lights came on. Is this what ABS feels like when it is working? The car was definately staying under control so I'd say it was working. I expected to feel a quick pulsing on the peddle at the most.

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Old 11-16-2000, 11:14 AM   #2
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When my ABS kicks in it sounds like someone put gravel in my engine. The pedal does pulse, but just keep your foot planted and steer.

I've used it in the wet, on snow and on the tarmac.

Autocrossing lets you get hard on the brakes, especially when a 180 is called for
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Old 11-16-2000, 11:16 AM   #3
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Yep... that's it.

I run the RallyXs with the ABS on (I "learned" that way), and I don't even notice it anymore. Full control in the corners while still getting breaking...

I did cause it in a dry-pavement parking lot a couple weeks back... hard-accelleration -> hard-brake really quick, got a quick buzz from the break pedal.


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Old 11-16-2000, 11:17 AM   #4
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that is exactly what ABS is like when in effect...


if this ever happens in an emergency...
relax... you will not lock up and will still have "some" control of the car... that is why ABS is a good thing...

practice/test it in a safe place...
get used to the feel of the abs.. so that you dont "panic" when it kicks in....

you can be in full ABS mode and still turn/control the car.. it is amazing...

try this on a closed off - empty - desolate area...

from a stop... get up to about 40mph... hit the brakes HARD... and turn the wheel as if to avoid something.. at the same time...
you are still in control!!! do that a few times and you will have no fear of your ABS and will be ready to use it when the time comes...


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Old 11-16-2000, 02:33 PM   #5
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Don't forget in snow or loose gravel that with ABS on the subarus stopping distance may be increased. Caught me off gaurd a couple of times last year. It doesn't help that these cars handle so well that I didn't realize how slick it was until I tried to stop.
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Old 11-17-2000, 12:06 AM   #6
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Yes, I was turning at the same time and felt in complete control. The sounds caught me off guard. Now that I have heard them and that is how they are supposed to sound, I won't be concerned. I will get PLENTY of practice time over the winter. I plan to do a TSD rally in 2 weeks and possibly some rallycross on ice.

Next summer, autocrossing...

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Old 11-17-2000, 05:43 AM   #7
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I agree with GZoomer. The ABS on these cars (I think the Imprezas have the same problem) seems to activate a bit early on snow and gravel. I've run into ABS in a variety of conditions, and it felt fine, but on snow it just didn't feel right. I can't explain it in any technical terms, but it just seemed like it was activating too early and the car just didn't want to stop.

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Old 11-17-2000, 05:57 AM   #8
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I noticed the same thing about longer stopping distances in snow. This is my first time with ABS in the snow (I'm in Minnestoa too!) and did some subjective testing over the weekend. I began braking at the same spot at the same speed and just stomped on the pedal and then tried to keep it just before lockup. Modulating the brakes myself seemed to make for shorter stopping distance. I found it was easy to modulate with the ABS. Just listen for the buzz.

Regardless, even if stopping with ABS is a little longer in snow, the fact that you can steer and maintain control is the biggest benefit.
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Old 11-17-2000, 06:45 AM   #9
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Does anyone get buzzing AFTER they let off the brake? Whenever my ABS kicks in, there's about a second or two of buzzing afterwords.
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